1962 Topps Rack on Ebay - Needs to Be Seen

70ToppsFanatic

I had been hearing about this and now its up on Ebay.

1962 Topps Rack Pack

I tend to agree with the listing. This is probably 1 of a kind. Looks like it is series 1 and 2, which means possibles include Maris (1), Koufax (5), Clemente (10), Mays/Mantle (18),
Banks (25), Brooks Robinson (45), Musial (50), League leaders (51-60), Killebrew (70), Spahn (100), The Babe Specials (135-144), Kaline (150) and some important semi-star
RCs such as Powell (99) and McCarver (167).

Don't know if the BIN price is good or bad. I suppose no one does. I would have definitely been a bidder for this in an auction-style listing.

Anyone know anything else about this rack that was not in the listing description (or have other comments about it)?

HoofHearted

Wow, that would so fit into my '62T Master set. I'd have to plow a large percentage of what I paid for my completed set to get that pack!

C'mon lottery!

Dboneesq

Real nice. I have had some large deals with the seller in the past and was very happy.

Edited so CPAMIKE's statement on the next page is correct! LOL

I think this pack will sell for $1,999.00 on 11/20/11 at 10:53 EST.

JMDVM

I was 8 years old in 1962, growing up on Long Island and I remember buying '62 rack packs especially in a market place called Billy Blake's in Smithtown, Long Island. I recall buying a rack with 2 Maris cards showing. I don't recall seeing any racks beyond series 1 and 2. I do not remember seeing racks for 63 but racks for 64 were plentiful.

prthd

SEXY

StarPaxMan

Interesting! the outside packs show 1st series cards on the bottom and 2nd series on top and the
middle pack shows 1st series on both sides

Foo3112

I personally don't see the appeal in paying 3 packs for $4500. Lets say that you did find the Maris ($250) Clemente ($200) Mickey Mantle ($600) Willie Mays ($250) Hank Aaron ($150) Lou Brock Rookie ($120) Mickey Mantle All Star ($200) and the Mays/Mantle Managers Dream card ($200) - those are probably the most wanted/desirable cards from the set - you can pick most of those up for the asking price. Lets say that the seller would even let it go for $3000, the odds of pulling those cards from 598 cards set is a strech - for that much, Id rather go buy a babe ruth card psa graded.

Check out how many wax pack breaks ore on youtube - they usually don't turn on in the collectors favor. - I will give it this though. Looking and that cello pack is pretty neat though to have in your collection but not worth the asking price by far.

Bosox1976

Nice rack. The corner wear on the header is a little weird though - seems a tough place for a rack to wear.

swartz1

Spahn and Clemente - that should attract some collectors...

daddymc

<< <i>I personally don't see the appeal in paying 3 packs for $4500. Lets say that you did find the Maris ($250) Clemente ($200) Mickey Mantle ($600) Willie Mays ($250) Hank Aaron ($150) Lou Brock Rookie ($120) Mickey Mantle All Star ($200) and the Mays/Mantle Managers Dream card ($200) - those are probably the most wanted/desirable cards from the set - you can pick most of those up for the asking price. Lets say that the seller would even let it go for $3000, the odds of pulling those cards from 598 cards set is a strech - for that much, Id rather go buy a babe ruth card psa graded.

Check out how many wax pack breaks ore on youtube - they usually don't turn on in the collectors favor. - I will give it this though. Looking and that cello pack is pretty neat though to have in your collection but not worth the asking price by far. >>



I would highly doubt that the buyer will break this. If legit, the appeal is that it is unopened and extremely rare. The same can be said of other collectibles like toys - Yoda opened is $5, but Yoda still in the package is $150 and much harder to find.

Nikklos

I must not buy that thing. Because I would open it and that's just not right. God it is so tempting.

flatfoot816

this rack was mentioned in a prior thread...entitled "some older material"-- it did not have a separate thread. here is a link if it works....interesting comments.

I believe the seller is Steve Glaze, and if so, I will tell you that I have had many good dealings with him years ago--before grading so it was all raw...and all stuff has since been PSA slabbed.

thread with '62 rack discussed

fiveniner

NICE!!!

jmoran19

<< <i>this rack was mentioned in a prior thread...entitled "some older material"-- it did not have a separate thread. here is a link if it works....interesting comments.

I believe the seller is Steve Glaze, and if so, I will tell you that I have had many good dealings with him years ago--before grading so it was all raw...and all stuff has since been PSA slabbed.

thread with '62 rack discussed >>



Yes that is Steve Glaze, has gone by Paak attack Alaska, Stax of Packs, etc. over the years. Great to deal with and everything I bought raw from him in the late 1990's and early 2000's was graded by PSA too.

JOhn

brianwintersfan

<< <i>I personally don't see the appeal in paying 3 packs for $4500. Lets say that you did find the Maris ($250) Clemente ($200) Mickey Mantle ($600) Willie Mays ($250) Hank Aaron ($150) Lou Brock Rookie ($120) Mickey Mantle All Star ($200) and the Mays/Mantle Managers Dream card ($200) - those are probably the most wanted/desirable cards from the set - you can pick most of those up for the asking price. Lets say that the seller would even let it go for $3000, the odds of pulling those cards from 598 cards set is a strech - for that much, Id rather go buy a babe ruth card psa graded.

Check out how many wax pack breaks ore on youtube - they usually don't turn on in the collectors favor. - I will give it this though. Looking and that cello pack is pretty neat though to have in your collection but not worth the asking price by far. >>



It will be purchased and kept sealed most likely. You don't spend that kind of money to open something that never pops up. There are exceptions but I doubt this is one of them. Plus the comment that it's not worth the asking price is kind of silly. Rarely seen items command a premium and if buying unopened product is someone's thing, they will happily pay for it.

Foo3112

Thats true but the key cards aren't even close to being what the pack is worth. Its kind of like when people ask "should I get my card signed?" Well if the signature is worth more than the card - sure! But if the card is worth far more than the signature, then no ofcourse because it would make the value of the card go down. Example would be something like a Nolan Ryan 68 Rookie. So because there's nothing in that set that even competes with the asking price (although sealed and very desirable - It just seems that that price is too much imo). We all kmow that cards are really only worth what someone is willing to pay but I don't see that seller getting that price. Now if it was a cello pack of 52 topps, I would definitely be signing a different tune.

And for the record... I never mentioned that whoever would purchase this would end up opening it. I just listed the key cards IF someone was crazy to open it but I never even though for 1 minute thought that ANYONE on this board would even do that.

grote15

You cannot estimate the value of a rare unopened pack by the value of the cards inside. The whole is far more valuable than the sum of its parts in every case like that. This item is only as valuable as it is because it is unopened. For card collectors not familiar with this concept, the best analogy is to compare it to a 1/1 of a particular card.

itzagoner

it's a Show 'n' Tell item.

should never be opened by anyone with a molecule of wisdom.

get a good look now, it might get bought and buried for quite awhile.

Dboneesq

<< <i>You cannot estimate the value of a rare unopened pack by the value of the cards inside. The whole is far more valuable than the sum of its parts in every case like that. This item is only as valuable as it is because it is unopened. For card collectors not familiar with this concept, the best analogy is to compare it to a 1/1 of a particular card. >>



As Tim stated, the value is in it being an UNOPENED ITEM ... has little to do with what cards MAY be inside. For instance, a '57 or '58 penny pack might sell for $500.00 - $1,000.00, while the ONE card inside might be worth ten bucks!

Wolfgang427

A few years back I had a half filled cello box from 62. The cellos sold anywhere from $500-$750 @ on the bay. I don't see this worth the $4500. but maybe $2k-$2.5k tops. By the way I still have the empty cello boxes(2-as one box was empty when bought) if any body wants to buy them.

70ToppsFanatic

This is a definite do NOT rip.

And I agree that the value is in it being not opened, but $4500????

Dboneesq

<< <i>I don't see this worth the $4500. but maybe $2k-$2.5k tops. >>


I would think the seller would agree with you that it is not worth $4,500.00, as he does have a best offer option. I have no idea as to the worth, but I am sure a big time unopened collector would pay handsomely to have what is possibly a 1 of 1 in his unopened collection.

nightcrawler

<< <i>Nice rack. The corner wear on the header is a little weird though - seems a tough place for a rack to wear. >>




If I were in the market I'd be a little concerned with that, and the seller's answer to question number one..

"Q: will werner pre-authenticate it? Nov-19-11
A: No. He thinks the staples have been tampered with. I am going to add close up photos of the header cards later on so eBayer's can make their own determination. Even if the staples were 'tampered' with, the rack is tight and undisturbed so there is NO WAY someone could have opened the rack without signs of tears or splits which this rack has NONE! I really can't see any signs of the staples being removed - they're rusty and originals so they would break if they were pried opened....
"

70ToppsFanatic

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<< <i>Nice rack. The corner wear on the header is a little weird though - seems a tough place for a rack to wear. >>




If I were in the market I'd be a little concerned with that, and the seller's answer to question number one..

"Q: will werner pre-authenticate it? Nov-19-11
A: No. He thinks the staples have been tampered with. I am going to add close up photos of the header cards later on so eBayer's can make their own determination. Even if the staples were 'tampered' with, the rack is tight and undisturbed so there is NO WAY someone could have opened the rack without signs of tears or splits which this rack has NONE! I really can't see any signs of the staples being removed - they're rusty and originals so they would break if they were pried opened....
" >>



I believe this to be a legitimate rack (at least as much as the PSA 8 T206 Honus Wagner which there are more than a few allegations about
some trimming that occurred).

nightcrawler

<< <i> I believe this to be a legitimate rack (at least as much as the PSA 8 T206 Honus Wagner which there are more than a few allegations about
some trimming that occurred). >>




In all fairness, comparing it to the Wagner isn't lending it any legitimacy, heh heh.

itzagoner

$1999

packCollector

an absolute great deal for the buyer , surprised steve let it go that low. it there weren't any questions about it from gai(why there opinion means anything is beyond me) , this would have sold much more.

grote15

I think Steve H's skepticism was a factor, too.

BTW, I have found that Demian Werner, the current GAI pack authenticator, to be more conservative and on point than the last few GAI authenticators going back to Murphy and Baker.

cpamike

Way to hit the price on the head Doug. You still know your unopened packs.

At least the guy was upfront with the concerns voiced by the experts as he probably figured whoever bought it may ask them for an opinion about it. It would be nice to examine that rack pack in person. It does look pretty good from the picture. I guess if it were a fake, we'd see a bunch more pop up now that this one sold.

aconte

Great item for whoever bought it.

aconte

bbuckner22

<< <i> Nice rack. >>



Oh, and I had high hopes for this thread until I saw it was baseball card related.

nam812

<< <i>Way to hit the price on the head Doug........ >>



I think Wolfgang427 said it.

cpamike

<< <i>

<< <i>Way to hit the price on the head Doug........ >>



I think Wolfgang427 said it. >>



Thanks Nam. Great job Wolfgang.

Why couldn't you come up with that Doug??? Must be the old age.

Dboneesq

<< <i>

<< <i>

<< <i>Way to hit the price on the head Doug........ >>


I think Wolfgang427 said it. >>


Thanks Nam. Great job Wolfgang.
Why couldn't you come up with that Doug??? Must be the old age. >>



Nam and CPAMIKE ... I think you should go back and re-read my post on the first page! lol

flatfoot816

very nice item and a classy heads up move from Steve Glaze. Other auctioneers have hid behind 3rd party grading even when EVERYONE knows that they are selling bad items. Steve stepped up and told it like it was. Reputatuion is far more important than making a few extra Benjamins....IMO

70ToppsFanatic

<< <i>This is why PSA needs to encapsulate racks.

PS I would have ripped this as it's cruel and unusual to keep a rack alive for this long! >>



Given the likelihood that there are no other surviving 1962 Topps racks, I would think you would have
held off on ripping it. This piece needs to be preserved either for a museum or because it is ultimately
going to be worth considerably more than its sale price in the future.

JMDVM

Having opened many of these as a kid, I 'm confident this rack is the real deal. There are stars showing including on the stamps. The cellos inside look sharp. Plus, they are all from series one. Don't open it whoever you are!

70ToppsFanatic

<< <i>Having opened many of these as a kid, I 'm confident this rack is the real deal. There are stars showing including on the stamps. The cellos inside look sharp. Plus, they are all from series one. Don't open it whoever you are! >>



These racks were supposedly available in limited distribution. My uncle owned a newsstand/greeting card/retail shop in Queens, NY
at this time and he carried Topps cards. I remember quite clearly from when I was a kid that sometimes when I asked him if he could
get certain limited distribution items from Topps it was not available in NYC. My uncle would tell me that Topps (which was based in
Brooklyn at the time) did not make it available to the NYC market because they would have had too many retailers to keep the
distribution "limited" and they did not want to upset their customers by allowing some retailers to get the items while others could not.

Instead, he told me that Topps released the product nearby, in Long Island. And then, great uncle that he was, he'd suprise me a few weeks
later by bringing me some of what I had asked for (Queens was right next to LI so he would take a short drive out and find me what I had asked
him for).

Can't say that this occurred with 1962 Topps rack packs (I was not born until 1963), but between 1969-1975 there were probably a half a dozen
times that he surprised me.

Great memories, and perhaps a lead that can be tracked somehow for confirmation with Topps. Wish I could ask my uncle, but he passed away at
age 95 about 3 years ago.

Toro

For 2K, it would be hard for me not to rip that rack pack.

flatfoot816

anyone wanna fess up on ownership?

bobbyw8469

<< <i>anyone wanna fess up on ownership? >>



You will find out who owns it when it shows up for auction next week.....

Estil

<< <i>I personally don't see the appeal in paying 3 packs for $4500. Lets say that you did find the Maris ($250) Clemente ($200) Mickey Mantle ($600) Willie Mays ($250) Hank Aaron ($150) Lou Brock Rookie ($120) Mickey Mantle All Star ($200) and the Mays/Mantle Managers Dream card ($200) - those are probably the most wanted/desirable cards from the set - you can pick most of those up for the asking price. Lets say that the seller would even let it go for $3000, the odds of pulling those cards from 598 cards set is a strech - for that much, Id rather go buy a babe ruth card psa graded.

Check out how many wax pack breaks ore on youtube - they usually don't turn on in the collectors favor. - I will give it this though. Looking and that cello pack is pretty neat though to have in your collection but not worth the asking price by far. >>



Remember, you're not buying the pack for what's inside. You're buying it for its rarity and collectiblity. And indeed, I didn't even know true rack packs (not the phoney Christmas racks) even existed for 1962.