Anybody know eBay'er "jcjcjc007" You may want to block him. Case Closed

UtahCoin

This clown wins an auction, then wants out because he feels I have a shill bidder that bid the auction up. Auction in question.

Copy of his emails:

"Dear utahcoinshop,

I'm calling foul on this auction. I'm on a quest to uncover sellers who pump up their prices. This coin is a $135 dollar item on bluesheets and $170 on grey. The bidder just below me I'm sure will buy your coin for $260 if he really wants it. I believe that person is you or someone you know. Cancel this or I will complain to ebay about your tactics. If your in the coin business you know this coin has been WAY over valued and again I call foul.
- jcjcjc007"

My reply

Dear jcjcjc007,

Hello,
You have made a serious allegation of shill bidding regarding this auction. I have never used a shill bidder in my life, nor have I ever considered it. Your lack of numismatic knowledge is evident in your statement regarding Blue Sheet and Grey Sheet pricing which fail to consider the type of holder a coin is in. I will stipulate that the coin brought more than I thought it would but that fact alone does not prove anything. I once had a very nicely toned 1966 Special Mint Set that sold for $200, more than 10 time "Sheet" price.

My take on this is that you wanted the coin, placed a nuclear bid and wound up winning at more than you wanted to spend, and are now looking for a way out. I have already notified eBay and forwarded your first message to them. I look forward to receiving your payment in a timely manner
- utahcoinshop

His reply,
Dear utahcoinshop,

Your must not know coins at all. Anyone who reads those sheets knows they are mainly for PCGS and NGC graded sight and sight-unseen coins. The pattern of bidding displayed clearly denotes shilling. I welcome the inquiry from EBAY. My ability to purchase coins that are fairly put up for auction is no secret. Watching sellers bid up coins way beyond their actual value is what I live to find, because I hope to get them kicked of ebay so honest sellers can do business. You'll get paid when ebay proves to me that I haven't been defrauded by shilling and I've contacted the $260 "other" bidder.
- jcjcjc007

seateddime

blocked


More details make it a block.

mkman123

That bidder is a bum

morgansforever

<<My take on this is that you wanted the coin, placed a nuclear bid and wound up winning at more than you wanted to spend, and are now looking for a way out>>

Man up and pay for the coin, or don't bid. Most likely this is why he's whinnng.
Another reason I like the BST, no BS, people say what they mean,
and mean what they say. Good luck Utah.

devious

He won it, plain and simple. He's looking for a way out. And I bet he's just feeling incredibly stupid right now. Behind that keyboard, he's thinking man, I don't have the money, but instead of just saying that, I'm going to blame this seller for my own stupidity.

epcjimi1

<< <i>His reply,
Dear utahcoinshop,

...Watching sellers bid up coins way beyond their actual value is what I live to find, because I hope to get them kicked of ebay so honest sellers can do business.....
- jcjcjc007 >>



This guy needs to get a life if this is what he lives for. Srsly. That is crazy.

Blocked.

MilesWaits

Thank you UtahCoin! FIRMLY blocked for his pure arrogance and malevolence.

Miles

Tiny

Looks like his other wins where at or just under Greysheet and when he wins
one over GS he gets goofy. If it was me I would just cancel the deal and block
the guy and ask for FVF refund and move on. Ya never know just who's on the
other end of the deal and he sounds like he is in love with a Disney Character.

LindeDad

Let see he want a OGH coin for what?
Sorry the guy is nuts but I think I would cancel the auction for him because there is every likelyhood he will mess with your feedback.
And yes I am blocking him.
Good Lucck!!!!

llafoe

I start all my auctions above blue and grey sheets... I guess I won't need to block this bidder!

LindeDad

If he was so worried about sheet price why did he bid at $250.00 and then again somewhere over $265.00?
PCGS price guide for the item was $210.00.

Banemorth

Absolutely out of his mind.

coinman23885

<< <i>This clown wins an auction, then wants out because he feels I have a shill bidder that bid the auction up. Auction in question.

Copy of his emails:

"Dear utahcoinshop,

I'm calling foul on this auction. I'm on a quest to uncover sellers who pump up their prices. This coin is a $135 dollar item on bluesheets and $170 on grey. The bidder just below me I'm sure will buy your coin for $260 if he really wants it. I believe that person is you or someone you know. Cancel this or I will complain to ebay about your tactics. If your in the coin business you know this coin has been WAY over valued and again I call foul.
- jcjcjc007"

My reply

Dear jcjcjc007,

Hello,
You have made a serious allegation of shill bidding regarding this auction. I have never used a shill bidder in my life, nor have I ever considered it. Your lack of numismatic knowledge is evident in your statement regarding Blue Sheet and Grey Sheet pricing which fail to consider the type of holder a coin is in. I will stipulate that the coin brought more than I thought it would but that fact alone does not prove anything. I once had a very nicely toned 1966 Special Mint Set that sold for $200, more than 10 time "Sheet" price.

My take on this is that you wanted the coin, placed a nuclear bid and wound up winning at more than you wanted to spend, and are now looking for a way out. I have already notified eBay and forwarded your first message to them. I look forward to receiving your payment in a timely manner
- utahcoinshop

His reply,
Dear utahcoinshop,

Your must not know coins at all. Anyone who reads those sheets knows they are mainly for PCGS and NGC graded sight and sight-unseen coins. The pattern of bidding displayed clearly denotes shilling. I welcome the inquiry from EBAY. My ability to purchase coins that are fairly put up for auction is no secret. Watching sellers bid up coins way beyond their actual value is what I live to find, because I hope to get them kicked of ebay so honest sellers can do business. You'll get paid when ebay proves to me that I haven't been defrauded by shilling and I've contacted the $260 "other" bidder.
- jcjcjc007 >>



What a moron! I would have made mention, though, that it was an OGH and PQ for the grade. I know the price is a bit high for a 65; however, I think the coin should at least "plus" if resubmitted. BLOCKED!!!

Russ

Thanks for the heads up. Blocked.

Russ, NCNE

OffMetal

I wonder if the bid retractions by a "newbie" made the auction look like a shill?

0***j ( 8 ) US $265.00 Jun-29-11 21:29:12 PDT
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t***j ( 0 ) New eBay Member (less than 30 days) Retracted: US $300.00
Explanation: Entered wrong amount Bid: Jun-29-11 21:07:50 PDT
Retracted: Jun-29-11 21:45:14 PDT
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s***r ( 129) US $260.00 Jun-29-11 20:45:00 PDT
0***j ( 8 ) US $250.00 Jun-29-11 20:16:16 PDT
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Member Id: t***j ( 0 ) New eBay Member (less than 30 days) Retracted: US $300.00
Explanation: Entered wrong amount Bid: Jun-29-11 20:14:03 PDT
Retracted: Jun-29-11 20:17:28 PDT
------------------
s***r ( 129) US $245.00 Jun-29-11 20:44:40 PDT
s***r ( 129) US $225.00 Jun-29-11 20:44:18 PDT
s***r ( 129) US $210.00 Jun-29-11 20:43:57 PDT


Aside from the retracted bids, the bidding pattern of the underbidder looks very common and looks like the aim was to outbid the other person rather than be the underbidder. The underbidder placed bids until he was the high bidder and left it at that. I see no attempts bump up the price on the high bidder.

Ben

mbogoman

Blocked. Thanks, I don't hvae the time to deal with such imbeciles...

TwoSides2aCoin

<----dumbfounded


+1

123cents

Blocked. Thanks!

drwstr123

Thx.

timber100

Sorry for your problems. thanks for the name, blocked! Did you have a refund offer on the auction, if so I would cancel it and let him out before you get the bad feedack and the return anyway. Good luck

barrytrot

Question to "SeatedDime": Why the "unblocked"?

I don't sell much, but this guy sounds like the enemy of any seller.

roadrunner

Let me get this straight, this guy shill bids for his own account to help "uncover" other possible shill bidders? And when he ends up paying too much
because he locked horns with another "refuse to lose" type, then it must be shill bidding. Just amazing logic.

roadrunner

cmerlo1

Thank you. Blocked. No time for this kind of crap.

FullCameo

Blocked. Thanks

derryb

thanks for the heads up

PinkFloyd

Guy puts up a bid and doesn't want to pay up, and then it's your fault? Blocked!!

MsMorrisine

I liked the fact that he can quote sheet prices and still bids well over them.

Meltdown

I blocked him. I hope at some point in the near future he figures out he's been blocked by 30 or so sellers and wonders why.
What a bum.

TorinoCobra71

Sounds like this idiot needs to stick to walkers and leave Morgans alone.

BLOCKED.

Thanks for the heads up.

CCC2010

Thanks for saving us the grief. Blocked!

PerryHall

Doesn't a non-paying winner get three strikes before eBay gives him the boot? If he is reported to eBay, can he retaliate with negative feedback? Hopefully, this guy's days on eBay are numbered.

Staircoins

Blocked - and thanks for the heads-up.

DoubleEagle59

blocked.

kaz

The kooks on eBay sure make for some interesting threads here!

I'm pretty sure I know how the eBay "investigation" will turn out.

garrynot

A complete nut-case. I guess he feels if he makes wild allegations he might win half the time. Since when is paying a premium in an open auction unusual?? Look at the Billy the Kid photograph. $2.3M on a $400K estimate.

coinhunters

Just refuse his bid and offer it to the second highest bidder or re-list the item. Document all communication with this buyer and block them from bidding any future auctions.

MadMarty

<< <i>You'll get paid when ebay proves to me that I haven't been defrauded by shilling and I've contacted the $260 "other" bidder. >>



I would love to know how he contacted your underbidder!!

BLOCKED

PerryHall

<< <i>Just refuse his bid and offer it to the second highest bidder or re-list the item. Document all communication with this buyer and block them from bidding any future auctions. >>



Wouldn't you also report him to eBay?

garrynot

<< <i>Just refuse his bid and offer it to the second highest bidder or re-list the item. Document all communication with this buyer and block them from bidding any future auctions. >>




I agree. Good idea. Just ignore him. I know it's tough...

ldhair

If you make him do the deal, he will probably return the coin and neg you.

LindeDad

<< <i>If you make him do the deal, he will probably return the coin and neg you. >>



this is just too much of a possiblity to mess with him and I bet he knows it.

johnny9434

blocked here as well. unreal on buyers part. if he thought that why did the big dummy bid then?

fastfreddie

blocked, thanks

DieClash

<< <i>

<< <i>Just refuse his bid and offer it to the second highest bidder or re-list the item. Document all communication with this buyer and block them from bidding any future auctions. >>




I agree. Good idea. Just ignore him. I know it's tough... >>



If he disqualifies jcjcjc007's bids, then he will have to sell it to the underbidder for $210, which is not bad as that is the PCGS guide price value.

Cheers!



Kirk

Spooly

How do you "block" a bidder from the "My e-bay" page?

Chump4Change

Blocked; thanks for the tip.

I would do as some of the others have suggested...let him out of the deal. Even if he pays, he's just going to make up an excuse and file a SNAD for a return...

1) you'll lose listing/closing fees (including paypal fees)
2) you'll lose shipping and handling costs
3) you'll get neg feedback
4) this guy is nuts and will now have your home address after he files the SNAD
5) you'll lose all the time you've already lost and will lose dealing with this scumbag

This just isn't worth it; cancel the transaction so he can't neg feedback you and be done with it.

MilesWaits

<< <i>How do you "block" a bidder from the "My e-bay" page? >>



They don't make it easy! Go to "sitemap" at the bottom of your ebay page and it will offer the option. Or, type in "block bidder" under help.

NotSure

Hmmmm.....the letters 'jcjcjc'......those (jc) are the initials of one of our favorite ex (and now current under an alt) members known for causing trouble......I wonder?????

Raufus

Thanks very much for the head-up.

This horrid "buyer" is BLOCKED! What an ignorant, jerk!

That said, I would just cancel the sale - it's just not worth it. If you don't you'll get a neg., he can always just send it back, etc...

Ebay is just so stacked against the seller that you just can't win one like this.

It's bad enough for the jerk to try to get out of the sale, but the shill charges are so over the top and totally unwarranted. I think that you are absolutely right to mount a very strong defense against them.

His argument is just so utterly stupid. If he does not think that the coin is worth the price, then WHY did he make at bid at that price????? Totally nuts.

Again, thanks very much for making us aware of this jerk.

frnklnlvr

<< <i>Blocked; thanks for the tip.

I would do as some of the others have suggested...let him out of the deal. Even if he pays, he's just going to make up an excuse and file a SNAD for a return...

1) you'll lose listing/closing fees (including paypal fees)
2) you'll lose shipping and handling costs
3) you'll get neg feedback
4) this guy is nuts and will now have your home address after he files the SNAD
5) you'll lose all the time you've already lost and will lose dealing with this scumbag

This just isn't worth it; cancel the transaction so he can't neg feedback you and be done with it. >>



I agree! It's not worth the aggrivation! Blocked!

BigRick

Why did he bid more than what he thought it was worth?