"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
Thanks for the offers and tips this week - still buying.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
This project is about PCGS sample slabs. It was started for a simple reason - "Do I own it, do I need it?" Sampleslabs.com was a great start and I applaud Cammy's vision in beginning it. The shortcoming is, the generations relate more to the time of discovery rather than the style of the holder or the emission sequence. While both are needed, I've chosen to concentrate on the holder style since the PCGS generations are firmly entrenched in peoples minds. As you'll see, there are several samples that are totally out of emission sequence but, if you want to find it, your first thought will be, "Hey, that's a generation 6.0 style", and that's where you will find it.
Input is appreciated. If you have samples not shown here or know of specific dates that the sample style first appeared, please let me know. This is meant to be flexible and easily updated. If you disagree with something here, LMK - I'll either defend it or change it.
Just like Conder101's generations thread, the description follows the picture.
Sample 1.1 This is the earliest known style and comes in a variety of dates. Sample 1.0 is unknown (white rattler) but the number is being reserved should one ever appear. Green rattler, all known coins are Roosevelt dimes, coin and serial number all 0's. Cameron notes that some 1.1 and 1.2 samples contain proof dimes - no differentiation is made here as there doesn't seem to be a premium one way or the other. Still a scarce style that commands a premium in 2014.
Sample 1.2 Similar to 1.1 but the PCGS coin number has been added with a "Nonsense" serial number 7000023 - would love to know if this means something to the staff at PCGS. Variety of dates but all are Roosevelt dimes. Still seen commonly in 2014.
Sample 2.0 This sample follows PCGS generation 2.0, rattler style inner part with outer ring, PCGS on the ring, bar code on front w/o PCGS at the top. Still a scarce style, it carries on the nonsense serial number 7000023.
Sample 3.0 This is a very rare sample, only 2 seen to date. No white band at the bottom, "hand cut" rounded corners. The nonsense serial number continues with this generation. The background Doily pattern may have interfered with reading of the barcode (speculation on my part) so a white field behind the barcode was added in the next generation. The reverse remains the same with the square PCGS hologram.
PCGS 3.35 This is the more common Doily sample, though still scarce. The numbering of the style follows the coin number/bar code relationship - alignment similar to generation 3.5. All coins seen to date are Roosevelt dimes. Most are 1964-D but there are other dates from the 1950's as well. The serial number remains the same, the reverse also unchanged. Some were given away by Ruffco - these have a Ruffco sticker on the obverse or reverse.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
Bought 2 nice coins this week - still open to more offers.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
Standing by, ready to buy this holiday weekend.....
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
This is being done as a continuation of the pioneering work done by Conder101 with a few minor modifications, editorial comments and updates following his last post in 2006. It will cover only PCGS. You can find his post by searching "Generations" at the US Coin forum. I'm doing this as an extension of trying to keep my photo archives up to date - there are several new generations that need a number assigned to them.
Conder101's numbering system will be followed closely early on but then modified. The reason for this is that his work assigned generations more based on discovery than an attempt to follow the emission sequence. So, for example, the "regency slab" is assigned generation 9 in his post, even though he recognized it should be earlier. I'll be calling it 4.5, just as he developed 2.5 and 3.5 to accomodate newly "discovered" generations. The 2.5 and 3.5 are already solidly entrenched as generations and will not be renumbered. If a new generation is discovered, the old ones will be renumbered accordingly - sorry.
This thread is intended to be flexible based on input from the PCGS forum so if you have additional information regarding generations, dates of issue, etc. please let me know so it can be incorporated.
This is not intended to cover every style of promotional label ever generated by PCGS - that's a project for someone else.
Specific question that need answers.
Updated estimates for periods of time that each generation was used. Generations that extended over a longer time period for Commem's vs regular issues. When did the pronged holder first appear? Transitional slab varieties not adequately covered? Subtle changes in slabs I've overlooked? Etc.
As in the original thread, the description of the generation follows the picture.
PCGS 1.0 - the true 1st generation rattler. White, no "ribs" in paper, all begin with serial #108....... Unsure if the green rattlers starting with 108...... are an intermediate style. Used for a very short time before the green rattler. The letters are in general stronger on the obverse and the green on the reverse is subjectively deeper/richer than the 1.2 generation.
PCGS 1.2 - the green rattler. Still commonly seen in 2014. According to Conder101, "These were used from the Feb of 1986 when PCGS opened through Sept 1989 when changes were made as a result of the counterfeit slabs that had appeared earlier." You're probably asking yourself, "Self, why isn't this 1.1??". The reason is I will be using these generations in a sample section as well (being developed) and 1.1 is reserved for the sample rattler with the serial number consisting of all 0's.
PCGS 2.0 - The 1st 2 piece holder, basically a inner rattler with an outer ring added. Bar code added to the front label. Raised PCGS on the outer ring, lower right obverse. No "PCGS" top center. Square hologram on reverse with rounded corners, used on several subsequent generations. Coin number and barcode align on left. Extra designation on years that have overlap coin types, i.e.: Buffalo in 1938, Morgan in 1921, etc. According to Conder101: "This variety was used in Oct and Nov of 1989". These are still commonly seen in 2014.
PCGS 2.5 - Very similar to the 2.0 but PCGS has been added to the top. According to Conder101: "My guess is that it was probably produced during the last week or so of Nov 1989." These are actually scarce and are seen far less frequently than the slightly different style 2.0 and 3.5 generations.
PCGS 3.0 - This style is called a "Doily" because of the lace like background used on the label. According to Conder101, "This variety was used in Dec of 89 only". Still commonly seem with Morgans, Merc and Franklin halves, other type coins more scarce, some rare and others not yet reported. For a reasonably current population report, search "Doily" in the US Coin forum, the census kept current by Billet7. Just remember that all Doilies are not necessarily in the census.
PCGS 3.5 - Same style holder as 3.0 above but with a return to the green label. Numbers slightly shifted to the left with respect to the barcode compared with Gen. 2.5. Same square hologram on the reverse. Conder101 suggested: "As a transitional variety it was probably only produced during the last week of Dec 1989". My guess it was longer as this is still a commonly seen style in 2014.
PCGS 4.0 - Conder101 describes this one well! "This is the first of the "Green Label" slabs. (While the previous labels may have had a green tint to them, this slab was the first where the label was a definite pale green label!) Unfortunately the green color in the label was not stable and the labels of this variety had a tendency to change color over time. Sometimes the blue pigment breaks down and the label becomes more and more yellow sometimes reaching amost a Canary yellow. Other times the yellow breaks down and the label becomes more blue. I have seen a couple of these where the label is a brighter blue than is seen on the current slabs. One identifying feature of this variety is the large font used in the serial numbers. The serial number begins at or slightly to the left of the left edge of the barcode below it. The shell is now a one part slab with the stacking edge an intergral part of the shell. This holder was used from Jan of 1990 through some time in 1995". I would also add this is the first generation w/o edge perforations on the insert. PCGS on the plastic now in the field of the slab lower right rather than on the edge.
PCGS 4.5 - Regency Slab - Conder101's description: "This slab really belongs between #'s 4 and 5 but this is where you're going to get it. This was the Regency Slab, a special premium slab that was intended to allow the collector to recognize "special" coins. Either to showcase very rare pieces, special pedigree coins or even special events. The Regency slab is a large slab, five inches high and three across at the widest point. They cost $50 ($30 slabbing fee plus $20 for the special holder and personalized inscription) and you were allowed to specify a two line inscription to appear on the front label. (Maximm 44 characters.) According to Rick Montgomery these were produced from 1992 to 1995 but so far I've only been able to trace them from Mid 1994 to the first quarter of 1995".
Boiler78 recalls seeing the Eliasberg 1827 dime in a Regency holder, confirmed at HA archives that describes it being in a "Delux PCGS Holder". Since it was sold in the Eliasberg sale 5/96, this slab must have been produced at least up until May or June 1996. If you have documentation of the start and ending dates, please let me know. The Danny Kaye Lirot is by far the most commonly found Regency slab. If you search "Regency" in the US Coin forum, "astrorat" maintains a current census.
PCGS 5.0 - Again per Conder101: "The second "Green Label" slab. At first glance almost the same as the previous variety but the font has been changed. The most noticable difference is the smaller size of the digits in the serial number and the number now begins well to the right of the left edge of the barcode. On the back the line "Copying prohibited" appears below the PCGS logo. (This is the only variety where that line is found.) PCGS had finally corrected the color stability labels and all or almost all of the slabs from this variety have the regular green label. These were used from sometime in 1995 through Oct of 1998".
PCGS 6.0 Conder101 writes: "In Nov of 98 PCGS dropped the green label in favor of the current light blue. This first light blue variety usually stikes people as being odd but they have problems putting their finger on exactly why. On this variety the date is found in the upper left hand corner and the denomination/type is in the upper right corner. In the center of the second line is PCGS and the grade. The serial number is at the center of the bottom label, and the barcode has been banished to the back label. This variety was only used for circulation type coins (including proofs). This variety was only used in Nov and Dec of 1998."
The slab shown is a little different only for the sake of showing that there will be some variation. Also, note the change in the hologram on the reverse, now featuring the PNG logo. The sides of the hologram will become outwardly convex in later generations.
PCGS 6.1 This is included for historical reasons since it was originally called out as a sub-variety. They are surprisingly hard to fine, more so than the 6.2, for example. As you can see on the 4.0 slab shown previously, the T1 designation started before generation 6.1. Still, these are fun to look for and include in a "complete" collection of PCGS plastic. Conder101 notes these were produced in Nov. 1998.
PCGS 6.2 Conder101 notes that in Dec. 1998 the "T" was changed to "Type", a designation first used with the rattler generations.
PCGS 7.0 This where I make a significant departure from Conder101's classification, lumping his generation 7 and 8 together. This is for several reasons, the most important of which to me is, "Do I have it - do I need it". When I see this style, it makes me think of a single generation, whether for regular type coins, bullion or Commems. This approach will be carried out from here on BUT bullion and others that depart slightly in lettering style or placement may be called out as sub-types.
"Series" and "Coin" have been added as a line to the label making for a busy label that get's even busier in the next generation when the barcode is returned to the front. Note the slightly convex margins to the hologram on this example.
PCGS 8.0 The barcode returns to the front, o/w very similar to the preceding generation. Conder101 notes this was used from 2/02 to 11/04. There are a few 2005 coins with this style of holder which could be from early release 2005 coins or this generation could have "bled" into early 2005.
PCGS 8.1 - PCGS "lost" the PNG endorsement (perhaps intentionally??), this creating a transitional hologram on the reverse, the obverse the same as 8.0. The NASDAQ/CLCT symbols are below the coin. This from Conder101: "In early 2004 PCGSA was outbid for the endorsement of PNG as their official grading service. Therefore they had to remove the PNG logo from the hologram on the back. They replaced the PNG logo with an image of a St Gaudins double eagle and their stock exchange symbol." I've only seen this hologram on this generation. If you have examples on others, pictures would be appreciated.
PCGS 8.2 - The 3rd hologram used in this generation and the one carried on to the next few generations. You can see it better on the next picture but there is a small gap between the ":" after NASDAQ and CLCT - this gap will disappear on a future iteration.
PCGS 9.0 The series and coin number is dropped, the letters and bar code subtly smaller. The background is blue with subtle white speckles - almost like a light snow. What it really reminds me of is painting a room, changing from white to blue. It looks like the 1st coat of paint has been applied with a roller but a second coat is needed.
In March of 2010 the "sniffer" was introduced along with "Secure Plus" service. That was really 2 components. Laser scanning of coins for future reference was the secure part. A plus designation on coins deserving of the grade was the second part. This is the first generation you'll see with the "+" designation, both after the grade and also in the grade following the coin number.
PCGS 10.1 The background becomes a darker blue. It wasn't until this generation that a shield was added to the label to designate the "secure" part of "secure plus". For Generation 10 I've chosen to lump these together (dark blue label with or w/o shield) rather than add a separate generation, although I am open to arguments one way or the other. Early on, the hologram was the same as PCGS 9.0. Later, the hologram is subtly revised, bolder in appearance, the easiest pickup being the space between ":" and "C" is gone. This style is somewhat scarce, especially w/o the shield.
PCGS 10.2 - Transitional type with the older hologram carried over from Generation 9.0 but with the reverse hologram added.
PCGS 10.3 - The final version of this generation, barcode both back and front, this hologram carried forward to PCGS 11.0.
PCGS 11.0 The background on the front now changes to a blue at the top of the label becoming whiter towards the bottom. The reverse barcode remains, the background of the reverse white. The reverse hologram remains the same. These were first posted on the forum in September 2012 and were used up until early 2014 when the new holder/hologram were introduced.
PCGS 12.0 Several changes are made, the plastic clearer, 2 "studs" are through the label, the "rivets" in each corner of the inner slab somewhat resembling the older 2.5/3.0/3.5 generations and the hologram is completely changed. The hologram has several cuts in it to prevent it being removed intact and has greater "depth". When rotated, the numbers 1-4 appear in each of the 4 corners. As in the preceding few generations, it comes in the regular label or with the added secure plus shield. Introduced in early 2014, PCGS offered re-holders with the new style for $5 beginning at the Feb. Long Beach Show.
PCGS 12.1 - At the Feb. 2014 Long Beach show, some world coins were being holdered with the new style plastic but with the previous hologram creating a Generation 12.1 transitional type. This was pointed out to me by illini420. Even though it uses the older hologram, it followed the introduction of PCGS 12.0 so it's placed here.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
Still buying...... see the OP - need more Bison samples.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
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Input is appreciated. If you have samples not shown here or know of specific dates that the sample style first appeared, please let me know. This is meant to be flexible and easily updated. If you disagree with something here, LMK - I'll either defend it or change it.
Just like Conder101's generations thread, the description follows the picture.
Sample 1.1 This is the earliest known style and comes in a variety of dates. Sample 1.0 is unknown (white rattler) but the number is being reserved should one ever appear. Green rattler, all known coins are Roosevelt dimes, coin and serial number all 0's. Cameron notes that some 1.1 and 1.2 samples contain proof dimes - no differentiation is made here as there doesn't seem to be a premium one way or the other. Still a scarce style that commands a premium in 2014.
Sample 1.2 Similar to 1.1 but the PCGS coin number has been added with a "Nonsense" serial number 7000023 - would love to know if this means something to the staff at PCGS. Variety of dates but all are Roosevelt dimes. Still seen commonly in 2014.
Sample 2.0 This sample follows PCGS generation 2.0, rattler style inner part with outer ring, PCGS on the ring, bar code on front w/o PCGS at the top. Still a scarce style, it carries on the nonsense serial number 7000023.
Sample 3.0 This is a very rare sample, only 2 seen to date. No white band at the bottom, "hand cut" rounded corners. The nonsense serial number continues with this generation. The background Doily pattern may have interfered with reading of the barcode (speculation on my part) so a white field behind the barcode was added in the next generation. The reverse remains the same with the square PCGS hologram.
PCGS 3.35 This is the more common Doily sample, though still scarce. The numbering of the style follows the coin number/bar code relationship - alignment similar to generation 3.5. All coins seen to date are Roosevelt dimes. Most are 1964-D but there are other dates from the 1950's as well. The serial number remains the same, the reverse also unchanged. Some were given away by Ruffco - these have a Ruffco sticker on the obverse or reverse.
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Conder101's numbering system will be followed closely early on but then modified. The reason for this is that his work assigned generations more based on discovery than an attempt to follow the emission sequence. So, for example, the "regency slab" is assigned generation 9 in his post, even though he recognized it should be earlier. I'll be calling it 4.5, just as he developed 2.5 and 3.5 to accomodate newly "discovered" generations. The 2.5 and 3.5 are already solidly entrenched as generations and will not be renumbered. If a new generation is discovered, the old ones will be renumbered accordingly - sorry.
This thread is intended to be flexible based on input from the PCGS forum so if you have additional information regarding generations, dates of issue, etc. please let me know so it can be incorporated.
This is not intended to cover every style of promotional label ever generated by PCGS - that's a project for someone else.
Specific question that need answers.
Updated estimates for periods of time that each generation was used.
Generations that extended over a longer time period for Commem's vs regular issues.
When did the pronged holder first appear?
Transitional slab varieties not adequately covered?
Subtle changes in slabs I've overlooked?
Etc.
As in the original thread, the description of the generation follows the picture.
PCGS 1.0 - the true 1st generation rattler. White, no "ribs" in paper, all begin with serial #108....... Unsure if the green rattlers starting with 108...... are an intermediate style. Used for a very short time before the green rattler. The letters are in general stronger on the obverse and the green on the reverse is subjectively deeper/richer than the 1.2 generation.
PCGS 1.2 - the green rattler. Still commonly seen in 2014. According to Conder101, "These were used from the Feb of 1986 when PCGS opened through Sept 1989 when changes were made as a result of the counterfeit slabs that had appeared earlier." You're probably asking yourself, "Self, why isn't this 1.1??".
PCGS 2.0 - The 1st 2 piece holder, basically a inner rattler with an outer ring added. Bar code added to the front label. Raised PCGS on the outer ring, lower right obverse. No "PCGS" top center. Square hologram on reverse with rounded corners, used on several subsequent generations. Coin number and barcode align on left. Extra designation on years that have overlap coin types, i.e.: Buffalo in 1938, Morgan in 1921, etc. According to Conder101: "This variety was used in Oct and Nov of 1989". These are still commonly seen in 2014.
PCGS 2.5 - Very similar to the 2.0 but PCGS has been added to the top. According to Conder101: "My guess is that it was probably produced during the last week or so of Nov 1989." These are actually scarce and are seen far less frequently than the slightly different style 2.0 and 3.5 generations.
PCGS 3.0 - This style is called a "Doily" because of the lace like background used on the label. According to Conder101, "This variety was used in Dec of 89 only". Still commonly seem with Morgans, Merc and Franklin halves, other type coins more scarce, some rare and others not yet reported. For a reasonably current population report, search "Doily" in the US Coin forum, the census kept current by Billet7. Just remember that all Doilies are not necessarily in the census.
PCGS 3.5 - Same style holder as 3.0 above but with a return to the green label. Numbers slightly shifted to the left with respect to the barcode compared with Gen. 2.5. Same square hologram on the reverse. Conder101 suggested: "As a transitional variety it was probably only produced during the last week of Dec 1989". My guess it was longer as this is still a commonly seen style in 2014.
PCGS 4.0 - Conder101 describes this one well! "This is the first of the "Green Label" slabs. (While the previous labels may have had a green tint to them, this slab was the first where the label was a definite pale green label!) Unfortunately the green color in the label was not stable and the labels of this variety had a tendency to change color over time. Sometimes the blue pigment breaks down and the label becomes more and more yellow sometimes reaching amost a Canary yellow. Other times the yellow breaks down and the label becomes more blue. I have seen a couple of these where the label is a brighter blue than is seen on the current slabs. One identifying feature of this variety is the large font used in the serial numbers. The serial number begins at or slightly to the left of the left edge of the barcode below it. The shell is now a one part slab with the stacking edge an intergral part of the shell. This holder was used from Jan of 1990 through some time in 1995". I would also add this is the first generation w/o edge perforations on the insert. PCGS on the plastic now in the field of the slab lower right rather than on the edge.
PCGS 4.5 - Regency Slab - Conder101's description: "This slab really belongs between #'s 4 and 5 but this is where you're going to get it. This was the Regency Slab, a special premium slab that was intended to allow the collector to recognize "special" coins. Either to showcase very rare pieces, special pedigree coins or even special events. The Regency slab is a large slab, five inches high and three across at the widest point. They cost $50 ($30 slabbing fee plus $20 for the special holder and personalized inscription) and you were allowed to specify a two line inscription to appear on the front label. (Maximm 44 characters.) According to Rick Montgomery these were produced from 1992 to 1995 but so far I've only been able to trace them from Mid 1994 to the first quarter of 1995".
Boiler78 recalls seeing the Eliasberg 1827 dime in a Regency holder, confirmed at HA archives that describes it being in a "Delux PCGS Holder". Since it was sold in the Eliasberg sale 5/96, this slab must have been produced at least up until May or June 1996. If you have documentation of the start and ending dates, please let me know. The Danny Kaye Lirot is by far the most commonly found Regency slab. If you search "Regency" in the US Coin forum, "astrorat" maintains a current census.
PCGS 5.0 - Again per Conder101: "The second "Green Label" slab. At first glance almost the same as the previous variety but the font has been changed. The most noticable difference is the smaller size of the digits in the serial number and the number now begins well to the right of the left edge of the barcode. On the back the line "Copying prohibited" appears below the PCGS logo. (This is the only variety where that line is found.) PCGS had finally corrected the color stability labels and all or almost all of the slabs from this variety have the regular green label. These were used from sometime in 1995 through Oct of 1998".
PCGS 6.0 Conder101 writes: "In Nov of 98 PCGS dropped the green label in favor of the current light blue. This first light blue variety usually stikes people as being odd but they have problems putting their finger on exactly why. On this variety the date is found in the upper left hand corner and the denomination/type is in the upper right corner. In the center of the second line is PCGS and the grade. The serial number is at the center of the bottom label, and the barcode has been banished to the back label. This variety was only used for circulation type coins (including proofs). This variety was only used in Nov and Dec of 1998."
The slab shown is a little different only for the sake of showing that there will be some variation. Also, note the change in the hologram on the reverse, now featuring the PNG logo. The sides of the hologram will become outwardly convex in later generations.
PCGS 6.1 This is included for historical reasons since it was originally called out as a sub-variety. They are surprisingly hard to fine, more so than the 6.2, for example. As you can see on the 4.0 slab shown previously, the T1 designation started before generation 6.1. Still, these are fun to look for and include in a "complete" collection of PCGS plastic. Conder101 notes these were produced in Nov. 1998.
PCGS 6.2 Conder101 notes that in Dec. 1998 the "T" was changed to "Type", a designation first used with the rattler generations.
PCGS 7.0 This where I make a significant departure from Conder101's classification, lumping his generation 7 and 8 together. This is for several reasons, the most important of which to me is, "Do I have it - do I need it". When I see this style, it makes me think of a single generation, whether for regular type coins, bullion or Commems. This approach will be carried out from here on BUT bullion and others that depart slightly in lettering style or placement may be called out as sub-types.
"Series" and "Coin" have been added as a line to the label making for a busy label that get's even busier in the next generation when the barcode is returned to the front. Note the slightly convex margins to the hologram on this example.
PCGS 8.0 The barcode returns to the front, o/w very similar to the preceding generation. Conder101 notes this was used from 2/02 to 11/04. There are a few 2005 coins with this style of holder which could be from early release 2005 coins or this generation could have "bled" into early 2005.
PCGS 8.1 - PCGS "lost" the PNG endorsement (perhaps intentionally??), this creating a transitional hologram on the reverse, the obverse the same as 8.0. The NASDAQ/CLCT symbols are below the coin. This from Conder101: "In early 2004 PCGSA was outbid for the endorsement of PNG as their official grading service. Therefore they had to remove the PNG logo from the hologram on the back. They replaced the PNG logo with an image of a St Gaudins double eagle and their stock exchange symbol." I've only seen this hologram on this generation. If you have examples on others, pictures would be appreciated.
PCGS 8.2 - The 3rd hologram used in this generation and the one carried on to the next few generations. You can see it better on the next picture but there is a small gap between the ":" after NASDAQ and CLCT - this gap will disappear on a future iteration.
PCGS 9.0 The series and coin number is dropped, the letters and bar code subtly smaller. The background is blue with subtle white speckles - almost like a light snow. What it really reminds me of is painting a room, changing from white to blue. It looks like the 1st coat of paint has been applied with a roller but a second coat is needed.
In March of 2010 the "sniffer" was introduced along with "Secure Plus" service. That was really 2 components. Laser scanning of coins for future reference was the secure part. A plus designation on coins deserving of the grade was the second part. This is the first generation you'll see with the "+" designation, both after the grade and also in the grade following the coin number.
PCGS 10.1 The background becomes a darker blue. It wasn't until this generation that a shield was added to the label to designate the "secure" part of "secure plus". For Generation 10 I've chosen to lump these together (dark blue label with or w/o shield) rather than add a separate generation, although I am open to arguments one way or the other. Early on, the hologram was the same as PCGS 9.0. Later, the hologram is subtly revised, bolder in appearance, the easiest pickup being the space between ":" and "C" is gone. This style is somewhat scarce, especially w/o the shield.
PCGS 10.2 - Transitional type with the older hologram carried over from Generation 9.0 but with the reverse hologram added.
PCGS 10.3 - The final version of this generation, barcode both back and front, this hologram carried forward to PCGS 11.0.
PCGS 11.0 The background on the front now changes to a blue at the top of the label becoming whiter towards the bottom. The reverse barcode remains, the background of the reverse white. The reverse hologram remains the same. These were first posted on the forum in September 2012 and were used up until early 2014 when the new holder/hologram were introduced.
PCGS 12.0 Several changes are made, the plastic clearer, 2 "studs" are through the label, the "rivets" in each corner of the inner slab somewhat resembling the older 2.5/3.0/3.5 generations and the hologram is completely changed. The hologram has several cuts in it to prevent it being removed intact and has greater "depth". When rotated, the numbers 1-4 appear in each of the 4 corners. As in the preceding few generations, it comes in the regular label or with the added secure plus shield. Introduced in early 2014, PCGS offered re-holders with the new style for $5 beginning at the Feb. Long Beach Show.
PCGS 12.1 - At the Feb. 2014 Long Beach show, some world coins were being holdered with the new style plastic but with the previous hologram creating a Generation 12.1 transitional type. This was pointed out to me by illini420. Even though it uses the older hologram, it followed the introduction of PCGS 12.0 so it's placed here.