Dan Carr's 2011 ATB Set
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ATB = Amero The Beautiful (yes, a deliberate attempt at obfuscation. Sorry, couldn't resist.)
Just got my 2011 set and it is STUNNING! A recap of the last four designs, plus the new one, which I like very much. Hard to pick a favorite, in fact. I think the first two years still come out as my favorites.
What say you?
2011 Amero Designs
Just got my 2011 set and it is STUNNING! A recap of the last four designs, plus the new one, which I like very much. Hard to pick a favorite, in fact. I think the first two years still come out as my favorites.
What say you?
2011 Amero Designs
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You could have bought a 1964-D Peace dollar on the secondary market for $350!
<< <i>I'm sorry, but whenever you use big words like 'obfuscation', you must pay all forum members that post in that thread $2; I accept PayPal!
You could have bought a 1964-D Peace dollar on the secondary market for $350!
And thanks for posting the pics. I should have figured that out. And for those who don't know, the upper left is the newest design. The one on its right is the 2010, etc... back to 2007 (I think), except that center bottom is the reverse of all of them.
<< <i>ATB = Amero The Beautiful (yes, a deliberate attempt at obfuscation. Sorry, couldn't resist.)
Just got my 2011 set and it is STUNNING! A recap of the last four designs, plus the new one, which I like very much. Hard to pick a favorite, in fact. I think the first two years still come out as my favorites.
What say you?
2011 Amero Designs >>
Daniel---I give you this free and clear: Amero Troy Bullion
TD
Well, just Love coins, period.
<< <i>I really like the Capped Bust with earring - very nicely done. The others are nice, and I have two but that is a nice rendition. >>
It makes her look a bit piratey........arghhhhhhh!
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<< <i>ATB = Amero The Beautiful (yes, a deliberate attempt at obfuscation. Sorry, couldn't resist.)
Just got my 2011 set and it is STUNNING! A recap of the last four designs, plus the new one, which I like very much. Hard to pick a favorite, in fact. I think the first two years still come out as my favorites.
What say you?
2011 Amero Designs >>
Daniel---I give you this free and clear: Amero Troy Bullion
TD >>
Or Amero Trade Bullion.
Whatever.
Also note yet another savvy marketing move, distinguishing different dies and posting the mintages or, read another way, "Better hurry and get yours now!"
I checked the ones I got and see that I do indeed have a couple of the more rare varieties. Dumb luck strikes again. Thank you Daniel!
Now, if I can just pick up some of the original '07s and '08s!
this is off of Mr. Carr's website there is a link there, I don't know how to post a link yet.
btw i have one of the copper proof-like bust liberty die pair 2,(92 minted)
and just ordered the satin and die pair 3 to complete the set.
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>I received my set last week and I love it. The 2011 is far and away my favorite. Looks great in copper satin and proofs finishes as well. MJ >>
I love the copper issues, too. At first, I liked the silver better, but the copper has really grown on me and I try to pick them up, too.
I did just hear from Daniel that he still has some of those copper satin finishes left, so anyone who wants one of those better jump on it.
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
<< <i>Dang, where can I buy one or more of those New Jersey's ? ( serious question ) >>
Lurk on eBay.
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-Aristotle
Dum loquimur fugerit invida aetas. Carpe diem quam minimum credula postero.
-Horace
Did you consider curving the 2011 date on that die concentric with the border? Might have looked a tiny bit better.
TD
<< <i>Daniel,
Did you consider curving the 2011 date on that die concentric with the border? Might have looked a tiny bit better.
TD >>
I did. I sculpted it both ways and decided on the straight baseline. If I make a version next year, I might do the arc
since the date will be more symmetrical with 2s at the ends instead of double 1s at the end.
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<< <i>I really like the Capped Bust with earring - very nicely done. The others are nice, and I have two but that is a nice rendition. >>
It makes her look a bit piratey........arghhhhhhh! >>
That's the first thing that came to mind. Pirate it is mate!
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With all due respect, someone needs a refresher course in anatomy and standard portraiture.
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With all due respect, someone needs a refresher course in anatomy and standard portraiture. >>
Would you criticize Grandma Moses because of her complete unfamiliarity with the concept of perspective? It's art. It doesn't have to be perfect. So he likes cheek bones. So what?
TD
<< <i>With all due respect, someone needs a refresher course in anatomy and standard portraiture. >>
Have you seen a Morgan dollar before?
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<< <i>With all due respect, someone needs a refresher course in anatomy and standard portraiture. >>
Have you seen a Morgan dollar before? >>
There is a difference between the distortion of form based on knowledge and the distortion of form resulting from ignorance.
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<< <i>With all due respect, someone needs a refresher course in anatomy and standard portraiture. >>
Have you seen a Morgan dollar before? >>
There is a difference between the distortion of form based on knowledge and the distortion of form resulting from ignorance. >>
FC, could you please post some of your own coin designs to help educate us?
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With all due respect, someone needs a refresher course in anatomy and standard portraiture. >>
Is this smoe sort of subliminal message to buy/covet the holder and not the coin?
<< <i>ATB = Amero The Beautiful (yes, a deliberate attempt at obfuscation. Sorry, couldn't resist.)
Just got my 2011 set and it is STUNNING! A recap of the last four designs, plus the new one, which I like very much. Hard to pick a favorite, in fact. I think the first two years still come out as my favorites.
What say you?
2011 Amero Designs >>
Didn't your Mother teach you to eschew obfuscation?
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<< <i>With all due respect, someone needs a refresher course in anatomy and standard portraiture. >>
Have you seen a Morgan dollar before? >>
There is a difference between the distortion of form based on knowledge and the distortion of form resulting from ignorance. >>
Ouch!
I'm a designer in another field and have items sell into the millions which were far from perfect in my eyes looking back
I've also had items that were perfect in my eyes only to be giant markdowns at market.
In the end the consumer is the judge and jury and votes with their wallets and not some poster(s) in chat room forum.
FC, is titled to his opinion but the ignorant comment is just that, ignorant......................Just my humble opinion
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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<< <i>ATB = Amero The Beautiful (yes, a deliberate attempt at obfuscation. Sorry, couldn't resist.)
Just got my 2011 set and it is STUNNING! A recap of the last four designs, plus the new one, which I like very much. Hard to pick a favorite, in fact. I think the first two years still come out as my favorites.
What say you?
2011 Amero Designs >>
Didn't your Mother teach you to eschew obfuscation? >>
I tried eschewing it, but couldn't get it down without a little salt and a cold soda.
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<< <i>With all due respect, someone needs a refresher course in anatomy and standard portraiture. >>
Have you seen a Morgan dollar before? >>
There is a difference between the distortion of form based on knowledge and the distortion of form resulting from ignorance. >>
Here is an illustration of how I did it, vs. how the US Mint did it.
Which one do you prefer ?
<< <i>Just my opinion Daniel, but don't feel the need to defend yourself to someone with 12 posts and a new member less then a month ago. Maybe they have something to add, but it's most likely a fellow forum member hiding their reputation under an alternate name. ... >>
I agree, however my question about "which do you prefer ?" is an actual (not rhetorical) question for anybody and everybody - FaberCastell included.
I think there is no comparison.
I love the contemporary look of Liberty.
Is that a nipple slip on the right breast ?
<< <i>Is that a nipple slip on the right breast ? >>
Die chip
<< <i>I think there is no comparison.
I love the contemporary look of Liberty.
Is that a nipple slip on the right breast ? >>
Wardrobe malfunction.
Well, honestly, I prefer the original design(s) and the mint 2008 coin. The proportions on yours...the Phrygian cap (I prefer it forward and yes, both styles have been used), the "Roman" or classic nose (now upturned?), the modeling of the features and rendering of the hair (less than graceful curves in the hair)...the ear and its location...the depiction of the musculature/volume between ear, cleavage and chin. The globe looks bit odd on the reverse and I would like to see some oak near the birch or elm. I am not really used to seeing those twigs held together by a single central band although I am sure that's been done before too. I am not used to seeing the eyes in classic imagery and sculpture contain the iris & pupils etc - sure, that too was done before and by many (see David for obvious example), but I prefer them without. Even the stars on the obverse detail provided show an interesting difference in attention to detail. Were "broken" stars shown in antiquity - sure. The Carr version looks "flat" to me overall, and the reverse less than interesting, symmetry aside (lol). Even the feathers are appear uniformly mirrored, but I don't know the intended symbolism of having it mirrored. It does not mean we are a boring or unimaginative country - but what does it signify? Best or most interesting choice to convey a message- who can say. What did/does the clasp mean? It now appears separated. I am not that fond of seeing the globe restrained or at least surrounded on all cardinal points apparently by a shield of any one country. Robotic eagle - I don't know. See Robert Fosters metal-ribbon eagle, often thought to be Nazi in influence. Looks to looks "robotic" as well, but has a nice flow and design. Just my opinion of course. There is no such thing as bad taste some say and that's fine. To me, it is choices and opportunities, "good", "bad" or missed. This design might be an idealized interpretation of what was in idealized image based on previous idealized imagery - only created with today's culture in mind. Is that good? Who can say. If the designer is happy and the people buying it are happy I am happy too.
Best wishes,
Eric
<< <i>mine has a hairy chest... >>
Oops, sorry I missed that one (struck-through fiber).
Send it back to me and I'll exchange it and pay the postage both ways.
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<< <i>With all due respect, someone needs a refresher course in anatomy and standard portraiture. >>
Have you seen a Morgan dollar before? >>
There is a difference between the distortion of form based on knowledge and the distortion of form resulting from ignorance. >>
Here is an illustration of how I did it, vs. how the US Mint did it.
Which one do you prefer ?
As long as you're asking, I prefer John Reich's "Classic Head" liberty over either of these two, which are, for all practical purposes, interpretations of another artist's work. Of course, Reich's stylized liberty reflects the strong influence classical Greek sculpture had on nearly all artists in the early days of our Republic. But to do what Reich did requires a foundational understanding of human anatomy, not unlike how many of the early 20th c. artists like Picasso and Matisse explored the figure - but they did this ONLY after they received a strong and thorough academic training in the drawing discipline.
Look, perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully, since obviously I am unaware of your artistic background and/or training. I was responding only to what the images I observed. Your profile of liberty seems to reflect a somewhat superficial depiction of liberty that lacks an understanding of the underlying structure of her facial components. The lips seem unnecessarily puffy and the nostril is drawn in much too far, even if this were an aesthetic choice. The cheek bone is puffy and seems much to close to the eye. You are also missing that characteristic indentation formed by the two clavicles at the base of the neck. This makes for an awkward and somewhat ambiguous transition from the neckline down toward the chest area. I noticed someone commented about the possibility of the presence of a nipple. If true, the breast is much too small relative to the bust and is far too high on the chest. Reich shows only the suggestion of breasts (via cleavage), which is correct.
I do like your handling of liberty's hair and especially the soft, sculpted fillet. The letters in LIBERTY are handled quite well, although the letterspacing between the R-T-Y is a bit too wide, which I notice is quite common these days in many of the Mint's coins, thanks probably to many of our word processing software programs that often aren't set correctly for type on a curved path. Manual kerning is fast becoming a lost art!
Anyway, this is my take on this particular work. I did visit your website and I think your strength lies mainly in your original designs rather than these variations you do of someone else's work. But that's usually par for the course for any artist who chooses to engage in this activity.
The best of luck to you and again, I hope I didn't offend - that was not my intention.
Well thought out and I enjoyed yor take on this work. However, how do you know the artists intent? Maybe, that was the look he was going for? I for one find his Liberties eyes, neck, bustline and lips seductive, interesting and alluring. No doubt he was going for a more contempary look for the times, much like all his work. In this case, I believe he nailed it.
Reich's work was right for his time but I like where DC went with his rendition. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>Hi Daniel,
Well, honestly, I prefer the original design(s) and the mint 2008 coin. The proportions on yours...the Phrygian cap (I prefer it forward and yes, both styles have been used), ... >>
Interesting. I greatly prefer the "cap back" style and I don't think I could ever bring myself to doing the "cap forward" type.