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<< <i>I'm also curious, if this coin is only guilty of having been dipped, why is it not considered market acceptable? >>
Because, regardless of what has been done to it, the color appears to be (too) off. >>
Mark, that type of target toning is very common in Dansco albums. I have some of that myself in my album and I can tell you with 100% certainty that they ain't AT!
<< <i>I'm also curious, if this coin is only guilty of having been dipped, why is it not considered market acceptable? >>
Because, regardless of what has been done to it, the color appears to be (too) off. >>
Mark, that type of target toning is very common in Dansco albums. I have some of that myself in my album and I can tell you with 100% certainty that they ain't AT! >>
Bruce, we will have to agree to disagree, as to the expected market acceptability of the color seen on that coin. That is, assuming it looks like it does in the images provided.
I think those exact same colors on a Morgan dollar dont even get a squint of doubt from anyone. This is what makes understanding all of this so very hard.
<< <i>I'm also curious, if this coin is only guilty of having been dipped, why is it not considered market acceptable? >>
Because, regardless of what has been done to it, the color appears to be (too) off. >>
But if the act of dipping and then album time can create these colors, regardless of how off they seem(and I am only going off of one person's opinion of what was done to this coin), then isnt that in technical terms NT? I mean I can understand if your answer was "Coin was dipped and then gassed". But "cleaned and retoned in an album" seems natural by the consensus opinion on dipping here. Are you saying that you accept the possibility that this coin's colors came from an album but that since you dont like it its not MA, but dont dispute the idea that an album toned it? >>
Many people consider a coin that has re-toned on it's own, after a dipping, to be NT. However, not all such coins exhibit the same color and appearance. Some of them look like what most label AT, and others, like what most label NT.
Either way, some NT coins look AT, and others, NT. Likewise, some AT coins look NT, while others look AT. Usually, a grader has to make his assessment/decision, based on how the coin looks, not based on what the submitter might know about it's past history.
<< <i>I think those exact same colors on a Morgan dollar dont even get a squint of doubt from anyone. This is what makes understanding all of this so very hard. >>
No. Those exact same colors on a Morgan dollar would have me scream AT just as I did politely in my first post in this thread.
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From the pics it appears to be a cleaned/dipped trime with secondary toning -- and not MA by TPG standards, IMO.
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<< <i>I'm also curious, if this coin is only guilty of having been dipped, why is it not considered market acceptable? >>
Because, regardless of what has been done to it, the color appears to be (too) off.
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<< <i>I'm also curious, if this coin is only guilty of having been dipped, why is it not considered market acceptable? >>
Because, regardless of what has been done to it, the color appears to be (too) off. >>
Mark, that type of target toning is very common in Dansco albums. I have some of that myself in my album and I can tell you with 100% certainty that they ain't AT!
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<< <i>I'm also curious, if this coin is only guilty of having been dipped, why is it not considered market acceptable? >>
Because, regardless of what has been done to it, the color appears to be (too) off. >>
Mark, that type of target toning is very common in Dansco albums. I have some of that myself in my album and I can tell you with 100% certainty that they ain't AT! >>
Bruce, we will have to agree to disagree, as to the expected market acceptability of the color seen on that coin. That is, assuming it looks like it does in the images provided.
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<< <i>I'm also curious, if this coin is only guilty of having been dipped, why is it not considered market acceptable? >>
Because, regardless of what has been done to it, the color appears to be (too) off. >>
But if the act of dipping and then album time can create these colors, regardless of how off they seem(and I am only going off of one person's opinion of what was done to this coin), then isnt that in technical terms NT? I mean I can understand if your answer was "Coin was dipped and then gassed". But "cleaned and retoned in an album" seems natural by the consensus opinion on dipping here. Are you saying that you accept the possibility that this coin's colors came from an album but that since you dont like it its not MA, but dont dispute the idea that an album toned it? >>
Many people consider a coin that has re-toned on it's own, after a dipping, to be NT. However, not all such coins exhibit the same color and appearance. Some of them look like what most label AT, and others, like what most label NT.
Either way, some NT coins look AT, and others, NT. Likewise, some AT coins look NT, while others look AT. Usually, a grader has to make his assessment/decision, based on how the coin looks, not based on what the submitter might know about it's past history.
<< <i>I think those exact same colors on a Morgan dollar dont even get a squint of doubt from anyone. This is what makes understanding all of this so very hard. >>
No. Those exact same colors on a Morgan dollar would have me scream AT just as I did politely in my first post in this thread.
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