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commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,078 ✭✭✭
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Bought this coin on eBay on Sunday.

I bought the coin above Sunday night. I had to make a deposit on Monday, and paid for it Monday afternoon. Earlier this afternoon, I get an email from PayPal saying my payment has been refunded, and I get this email from the seller:



<< <i>We had this coin for sale concurrently in our store. The coin was sold in store & not taken off ebay in time. This is our mistake are sorry for any problems this may have caused.
We thank you for your business
World coin >>



I think the guy is giving me a load of BS, so I call his shop and pretend to be a collector trying to fill some holes in his collection. I ask about some various other coins, and then ask if he has a 55 DDO in stock. He kind of chuckles, and says they in fact do have an NGC AU53 in stock, and he can sell it to me for $2150.

So, clearly the seller was not happy with the selling price, and decides to back out of the transaction. So, should I neg him?

-Paul
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    ccrdragonccrdragon Posts: 2,697
    i would neg him and report him for not completing the transaction
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    JamesMJamesM Posts: 757 ✭
    I know I am new to all this but why not ask him about that over the phone and see what he does.

    I would try to work out a deal before starting a conflict.
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    EgaEntEgaEnt Posts: 13
    if you look at only his neg feedback seems he pulls this alot on people id vote for a neg
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    dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    YES. That's a dirtbag move if you ask me. If the guy had actually sold it in the store before removing it from eBay I wouldn't have given a neg, but the fact that he just didn't like the selling price is a real DB move. I'd leave a nasty neg.

    Ugh....check him out on Toolhaus
    On 9/15/10 he received this neutral feedback: "i won,then paid.then seller tells me he cant sell for that price."

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    nice investigative work.

    go ahead. it'll be hard to tell that story in the feedback though.
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,298 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yep. To me it is.
    I am sure some dealers will come on here and defend this type of practice, but to me, it is dishonest.
    Looking at the coin, I wouldn't have even bid on it, but that doesn't change facts.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    gratefulgreggratefulgreg Posts: 100
    You should call him back and offer him exactly what your final ebay price was, when you rightfully won it.

    Call people on this BS!
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    epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    Wow, that's some pretty horrible neg feedback others have left for this seller and there's a lot of it.
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    drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,028 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When one bids on a auction, it is legally considered an offer.
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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,733 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes. Negative feedback required.
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe. But I agree it would be smart to try and work this out.

    If you neg him it will stick but his rebuttal will be plausible if he stays with his original story.

    If you can't work it out at least he knows you know he is a dirtbag and you will have the upper hand and a "gotcha" rebuttal to any justification he might post.
    Lance.
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    fiveNdimefiveNdime Posts: 1,088 ✭✭
    call back and get pix too. would be interesting if there is a second avail, in the same grade...
    then leave a negative for him!!!
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    Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭
    Clearly the guy is a Dirt-Bag, like doh said. I would not have bid on his auction. He clearly has a low feedback rating, which would keep me from bidding. If anyone has lower than a 99% feedback I don't even bother, especially considering how many transactions the guy has done. That means he has seriously shafted quite a number of people. We aren't talking about a couple deals that went south, but repetitive faulty business practices, this guy is no good in my book.

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    BigRickBigRick Posts: 1,334
    Yes.

    If it really had been sold, no.
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    razzlerazzle Posts: 981 ✭✭
    Definitely a neg, but that seems too easy on him. It would be nice to hear from some dealers here about this. Personally, I think he's a fool because he is so vulnerable by phone.

    Sorry you didn't get the coin you wanted and obviously deserved.
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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,209 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Seller refuses to ship coin but offers me same coin over the phone for $465 more than my winning bid."

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    lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    neg away
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    dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"Seller refuses to ship coin but offers me same coin over the phone for $465 more than my winning bid." >>


    PERFECT image
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    RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>"Seller refuses to ship coin but offers me same coin over the phone for $465 more than my winning bid." >>


    PERFECT image >>


    BINGO! Definitely neg him.

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    JamesMJamesM Posts: 757 ✭
    In this guys defense (not saying he is right, there are two sides to a coin.)

    he is doing true auctions and not using shills, so that good right?
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    Billet7Billet7 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭


    << <i>In this guys defense (not saying he is right, there are two sides to a coin.)

    he is doing true auctions and not using shills, so that good right? >>




    Wrong is wrong, no matter how it's justified. If he really needed a set amount, he should include a reserve. He is just hoping that a no reserve auction will hype-up interest in his coin, it didn't.
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    JamesMJamesM Posts: 757 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>In this guys defense (not saying he is right, there are two sides to a coin.)

    he is doing true auctions and not using shills, so that good right? >>




    Wrong is wrong, no matter how it's justified. If he really needed a set amount, he should include a reserve. He is just hoping that a no reserve auction will hype-up interest in his coin, it didn't. >>




    Yes I know it was sarcastic. image
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,298 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>In this guys defense (not saying he is right, there are two sides to a coin.)

    he is doing true auctions and not using shills, so that good right? >>



    If you don't follow through at the end, no, it isn't good nor is it right. The seller has NO defense, imho.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd definitely leave a neg here, but I might have some more fun, first. You might be able to string him along for a while if you want to waste some of his time for your own enjoyment. Or, you can just call him out on it right now. I'd probably make it really clear to him before leaving the feedback, if for no other reason than to catch him off-guard live, rather than just his seeing another crappy feedback post.
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    MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    I would neg this seller twice if I could.
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
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    EgaEntEgaEnt Posts: 13


    << <i>

    << <i>In this guys defense (not saying he is right, there are two sides to a coin.)

    he is doing true auctions and not using shills, so that good right? >>



    If you don't follow through at the end, no, it isn't good nor is it right. The seller has NO defense, imho. >>



    i agree its actually not a true auction because hes not selling to the highest bidder he is either just a bad business man (based on his feedback's where it seems he does this alot) or is going about finding realized prices in all the wrong ways
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,472 ✭✭✭✭

    Sure.

    Neg him if you think it'll make you feel better!

    Of course, you neg will have "zero" impact on his overall feedback.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



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    RussRuss Posts: 48,515 ✭✭✭
    I think you should give him a break. I'm sure all those other negs for non-delivery are just coincidence and he's an honest, upstanding guy.

    (For the sarcasm impaired: Neg him so hard he lands in the next universe).

    Russ, NCNE
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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,209 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>In this guys defense (not saying he is right, there are two sides to a coin.)

    he is doing true auctions and not using shills, so that good right? >>


    If he has a minimum acceptable price he should start his acution at it or set a reserve price. His reputation (and ebay seller discounts) should suffer with this type of behavior. Ebay has made it easier to start auctions at higher prices with their "100 per month" free auction style listings.

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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,472 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Maybe. But I agree it would be smart to try and work this out.

    If you neg him it will stick but his rebuttal will be plausible if he stays with his original story.

    If you can't work it out at least he knows you know he is a dirtbag and you will have the upper hand and a "gotcha" rebuttal to any justification he might post.
    Lance. >>

    Can't the buyer counter his rebuttal feedback?
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



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    JamesMurrayJamesMurray Posts: 4,036 ✭


    << <i>Wow, that's some pretty horrible neg feedback others have left for this seller and there's a lot of it. >>



    My favorite one is the war nickel "advertised as silver when in fact it's only 30%" as if the buyer is telling us something here lol great stuff.
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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,209 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Maybe. But I agree it would be smart to try and work this out.

    If you neg him it will stick but his rebuttal will be plausible if he stays with his original story.

    If you can't work it out at least he knows you know he is a dirtbag and you will have the upper hand and a "gotcha" rebuttal to any justification he might post.
    Lance. >>

    Can't the buyer counter his rebuttal feedback? >>


    Yes, but it doesn't remove what the buyer stated.

    Give Me Liberty or Give Me Debt

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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    Looks like this guy has a history of running "true auctions" that he won't honor if he doesn't like the price. Neg city.
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,472 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Maybe. But I agree it would be smart to try and work this out.

    If you neg him it will stick but his rebuttal will be plausible if he stays with his original story.

    If you can't work it out at least he knows you know he is a dirtbag and you will have the upper hand and a "gotcha" rebuttal to any justification he might post.
    Lance. >>

    Can't the buyer counter his rebuttal feedback? >>


    Yes, but it doesn't remove what the buyer stated. >>

    So whats wrong with:

    Neg: Seller reneged on auction because the "right" price was not achieved.
    Seller: Coin was sold on another venue. Sorry.
    Neg: Coin is still for sale in his Coin Shop. Call World Coin & Jewelry Exchange in Florida.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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    HussuloHussulo Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭
    NEG but you might of had a lucky escape.

    There appears to possibly be some crud (possible verdigris?) on the obverse, right of 9 in date, bottom centre of Lincoln's bust, above right of G and D in God and E of WE?

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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NEG THE BUM!!!!
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
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    123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    Yes I would give him a negative.
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    mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Absolutely. It's a binding contract according to the Ebay bylaws that everyone agrees to when they become an Ebayer. He broke the rules and lied; plain and simple. Nuke him!

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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 9,959 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So what did you say after he offered it to you for $2150?

    Isn't there a small possibility that he had ANOTHER example that he was selling for $2150 and that he actually did already sell the ebay coin prior to the auction ending? (I know, unlikely, but not impossible...)

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    AhrensdadAhrensdad Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"Seller refuses to ship coin but offers me same coin over the phone for $465 more than my winning bid." >>



    The above statement seems pretty accurate based on what the OP states to be the facts. So, is it a stretch to say the OP could file a complaint with ebay for fee avoidance. Same coin he won, now being offered outside of ebay to the same buyer. Generally people get the boot from ebay for this stuff, don't they?

    Not an ebay expert, but sure sounds like leverage to me.

    Good luck. I vote for the neg.

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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Isn't there a small possibility that he had ANOTHER example that he was selling for $2150 and that he actually did already sell the ebay coin prior to the auction ending? (I know, unlikely, but not impossible...) >>

    It would be great if someone had a local friend who went to the shop and checked the cert number. If it matched the eBay coin, there's your smoking gun.
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    pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd definitely leave a neg here, but I might have some more fun, first. You might be able to string him along for a while if you want to waste some of his time for your own enjoyment. Or, you can just call him out on it right now. I'd probably make it really clear to him before leaving the feedback, if for no other reason than to catch him off-guard live, rather than just his seeing another crappy feedback post. >>


    image Call him back and ask him if he can send you the coin on approval. Confirm the NGC cert number, and send him a check for the winning bid, along with copies of the listing and his correspondence. After this transaction, NEG HIM!
    Paul
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    BaronVonBaughBaronVonBaugh Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So what did you say after he offered it to you for $2150?

    Isn't there a small possibility that he had ANOTHER example that he was selling for $2150 and that he actually did already sell the ebay coin prior to the auction ending? (I know, unlikely, but not impossible...) >>



    You could ask for the cert number for the one he has over the phone. If it is the same, neg.
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    halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭
    What amazes me is that folks still bid on auctions of a seller with 128 negs & 127 neutrals ! ! ! image

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,438 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>i would neg him and report him for not completing the transaction >>



    Agree. He lied to you and deserves a neg. This is an obvious no brainer.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

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    ldhairldhair Posts: 7,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Neg away. He earned it.
    Edit to remove my wrong words.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,438 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sure.

    Neg him if you think it'll make you feel better!

    Of course, you neg will have "zero" impact on his overall feedback. >>



    What is wrong with giving a well deserved neg? If nothing else, it will help warn future bidders that this guy don't play by the rules and is a liar.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,219 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Wow, that's some pretty horrible neg feedback others have left for this seller and there's a lot of it. >>



    My favorite one is the war nickel "advertised as silver when in fact it's only 30%" as if the buyer is telling us something here lol great stuff. >>



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    NewParadigmNewParadigm Posts: 1,322
    No brainer. Neg.
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    SandhawkSandhawk Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Call him back and ask him if he can send you the coin on approval. Confirm the NGC cert number, and send him a check for the winning bid, along with copies of the listing and his correspondence. After this transaction, NEG HIM! >>




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