$1 1935C SC "Brown Signature error"?

I just saw a couple of ebay listings from a very reputable seller. The two notes I saw were PMG slabbed with a "brown signature error". Any stories on this type of an error? I've never seen this. Thanks

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  • That's odd. Wonder if that is a true error, or if something has happened to the ink?
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  • Yeah, like I say I haven't seen these either. Since the notes are slabbed with the brown ink notation, sounds like they are a geniune BEP error.
  • TheRockTheRock Posts: 7,855 ✭✭
    Interesting ERROR. I have not heard of this before on an SC. This might be one for Laura and Lew to explain.

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  • JamericonJamericon Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭
    I have heard of this error before and recall there being a post a few years ago about the notes. A few (or just one...?) showed up in a CAA or Knight auction a few years ago.

    Basically, the signatures were printed in brown ink similar in color to the Hawaiian brown seals, most likely because of an improperly mixed ink stock.
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  • from fred bart's website:
    35C $1.00 s.c. wrong color ink
    i have not examined any "in-hand" but fred's word is good enough for me
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  • Now that makes sense Jamie. I'll bet (as you say) the brown ink used on the 1935A Hawaiian notes was pulled from the ink locker and used by mistake. I'm assuming that the "A" series Hawaiian notes were printed around 1942, curious to know when the "C" series 1935 SC's were printed. Thanks
  • BooBooBillQueenBooBooBillQueen Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭
    I've seen this before. All of the notes are all 35C, all the M-E block, all low grade. The brown ink wasn't printed on the note- but rather "changes" into brown after circulation.
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  • << <i>I've seen this before. All of the notes are all 35C, all the M-E block, all low grade. The brown ink wasn't printed on the note- but rather "changes" into brown after circulation. >>



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    Interesting Laura. So would these be considered genuine errors due to the ink being defective and turning brown after time?
  • BooBooBillQueenBooBooBillQueen Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭
    Strait question, so I will give you a strait answer. Years ago I did not like these as "error" notes at all. BUT!! After seeing enough of them, recognizing the precise color that it "changes" to, and knowing that it is specifically this series and this block, I have more confidence in calling them error notes due to ink mixture. Make sense?
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  • << <i>Strait question, so I will give you a strait answer. Years ago I did not like these as "error" notes at all. BUT!! After seeing enough of them, recognizing the precise color that it "changes" to, and knowing that it is specifically this series and this block, I have more confidence in calling them error notes due to ink mixture. Make sense? >>



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    Yes mame. Thanks. Being as the "error" only occurs on this particular block, it does make sense to lean towards an ink solution issue. Really odd that notes in this block apparently were printed as black, then the turn to brown........... and that bugs me!

    Thanks again for your view.
  • luckybucksluckybucks Posts: 3,552 ✭✭✭
    Bump for a current thread.



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  • Does anybody here have this block with a normal color signature?



    I'm guessing so, as some of you guys seem to have every possible type of small size notes.

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  • Any more info on the brown signature error?

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  • Yes, I have the 1935C ME block notes circulated with brown and black ink signatures.

  • JamericonJamericon Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭

    These were likely altered (intentionally or not) after being circulated. The BEP never printed signatures in brown ink.

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