Sheldon 170...(or what is the definition of a plated coin?)
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Thats pretty cool.............
Not so much a plate coin per se but from the Superior Galleries Jack Robinson Sale.
I tend to think of plate coins as coins pictured/featured in books, monographs and such versus coins
pictured in sale catalogs.
<< <i>Are you saying it isn't the plate coin?
I tend to think of plate coins as coins pictured/featured in books, monographs and such versus coins
pictured in sale catalogs. >>
I tend to agree with you.
<< <i>but from the Superior Galleries Jack Robinson Sale. >>
Very Nice!!
That is a perfectly reasonable opinion given the absence of a dictum regarding the term plate coin though I prefer the narrower definition.
reference plate coins and catalog plate coins
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descriptions reading plated in such or such book which leads me or misleads me to assume the mere appearance of a coin in a sales-related
publication does not generally subsequently confer upon the coin the term plated.
Now there are plated Chapman catalogs so I guess in a sense the coins appearing in these catalogs are technically plated coins. Some
catalogs in addition to the standard auction lot pictures have addendum of plates e.g. Superior Galleries Brown and Robinson; but I still don't
recall these "plated coins" ever being referred to as plated in the 1986 Robinson Brown sale, though again I may be mistaken.
In any event, it's an interesting topic and I hope more experienced collectors chime in.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
I agree that many collectors use catalogues as a means of reference and there are some great coins featured in famous magazines, I own a few gold coins which have been pictured in the Eliasberg World gold catalogue but still I wouldn't refer to these coins as being "plated".
Lovely cent BTW.
great ranking who has a catalog atributed[sic] to only his collection or a catalog of many great numismatists that portray the entire series then the term plated in justified ie
there has to be strong relationship to the book and the author(s).
I cannot say I understand the above so for the sake of argument...Lot 279 of the recent Goldberg/Holmes sale is by all definitions a Penny Whimsy plate coin and is
annotated as such in the catalog description (3 times no less). In any context, given the above summary, would this coin ever carry the descriptor plated in the
September 2009 Goldberg/Holmes Sale or would it more likely be described as the Penny Whimsy plated S-154 that appeared in the September 2009
Goldberg/Holmes Sale? Or is it more likely the case I am grossly misinterpreting your definition?
A more recent reference book is the Harry Bass Sylloge. I would consider the coins illustrated in that book as plate coins. I imagine some of those varieties were photographed for the first time for purposes of that book.
"In any event, it's an interesting topic and I hope more experienced collectors chime in."
I believe that "plated" is a coin referenced in a book or special publications, not catalogs. I have one "plated" coin, an 1816 N8 from Noyes book - a Dennis Mendelson coin. I have many catalog coins and do not consider them plated. IMO, I believe that most EAC people would agree as to copper.
However, this does not necessarily mean that it was in Vlack's personal collection - although it may have been. It means that Vlack chose this coin as a representative of the type, variety, date or some other feature he was writing about on page 75 of his book.
Consider a coin plated in the Redbook or the Breen Encyclopedia. The TPGs will note that on the slab - "Breen Plate Coin" or "Redbook Plate Coin". This does not indicate that it was any specific collection. Instead, it means that the coin was chosen by the author(s) to be a representative example.
Of course, I think the TPG definition of a Plate Coin is valid. However, if someone tells me that a coin was "plated" in Pittman III, then I know I can find a picture of it in that auction catalog, not just a description. Many coins are listed in auction catalogs with a description but no picture. So plated means that there is a picture.
I think TPGs list the last name or some nickname of a collector on the slab of a coin to show that it was part of that person's collection - even if the coin was not pictured in the catalog for that collection. They can do this by matching the description or if there is an auction tag available, for example.
<< <i>I think the TPGs consider a plated coin as one that is pictured in a reference book. For example I have a French Colonies Sou Marque that is plated (pictured) on page 75 of "An Illustrated Catalogue of the French Billon Coinage in the Americas" by Robert A. Vlack. The PCGS slab notes that it is a "Vlack Plate Coin".
However, this does not necessarily mean that it was in Vlack's personal collection - although it may have been. It means that Vlack chose this coin as a representative of the type, variety, date or some other feature he was writing about on page 75 of his book.
Consider a coin plated in the Redbook or the Breen Encyclopedia. The TPGs will note that on the slab - "Breen Plate Coin" or "Redbook Plate Coin". This does not indicate that it was any specific collection. Instead, it means that the coin was chosen by the author(s) to be a representative example.
Of course, I think the TPG definition of a Plate Coin is valid. However, if someone tells me that a coin was "plated" in Pittman III, then I know I can find a picture of it in that auction catalog, not just a description. Many coins are listed in auction catalogs with a description but no picture. So plated means that there is a picture.
I think TPGs list the last name or some nickname of a collector on the slab of a coin to show that it was part of that person's collection - even if the coin was not pictured in the catalog for that collection. They can do this by matching the description or if there is an auction tag available, for example. >>
I am in the above camp...warm and cozy.
Found it...thanks...