i give up Seriously ;(

LakersFAN · March 30, 2009 4:30AM

I give up Fellas, really i do , Makes no Sense to me at all ( Lint etc is from scanner ) Here we go again, the High Dollar cards are Once again Scrutnized as if they are all HACK jobs, Good job PSA

N5: ALTERED STOCK 1986 FLEER STICKER 8 MICHAEL JORDAN

DavidPuddy · March 30, 2009 4:33AM

Put the white Sharpie down.

leathtech · March 30, 2009 4:43AM

that's a good one... how do you alter the stock of a sticker card?

DES1984 · March 30, 2009 4:45AM

I have to be honest, not sure if my eyes are playing tricks on me, but does the left side look a little wavy also?

EagleEyeKid · March 30, 2009 4:47AM

how do you alter the stock of a sticker card?

MeteoriteGuy · March 30, 2009 4:49AM

<< I have to be honest, not sure if my eyes are playing tricks on me, but does the left side look a little wavy also? >>

It does look that way. It might however be the inner sleeve/case giving the illusion? Those things are not always square.

IchiroDeported · March 30, 2009 4:51AM

im really very sorry this happened to you.

jradke4 · March 30, 2009 4:54AM

works well for psa...they keep your money....others might send it right back again. that way they double their money.

Stingray · March 30, 2009 5:12AM

It would be nice, but would probably help those that do alter cards, if PSA would say why and what part of the card they think is altered.

OAKESY25 · March 30, 2009 5:29AM

was this from the group break as well?

RonBurgundy · March 30, 2009 5:29AM

Can you get the Lakers to give up? I'd like to see Lebron win the title this year. Thanks in advance.

yankeeno7 · March 30, 2009 5:31AM

If its for resale or even future resale, I can understand going with PSA. If a card like that is going to stay in my collection permanently, I'd get it in a slab from across the street because I dont think you would run into this "game" there.

LakersFAN · March 30, 2009 5:44AM

Oak no this was not from the Group break

lol @ Mr Burgundy there, well tell ya what my freind, i am a Lakers fan , and will be the first to admit we are Softer than Charmin, so dont worry, imo we wont win the NBA finals till Mitch Cupcake the GM starts to get Tough Inside players and Not softys like Pau Gasol and Andrew bynum , those 2 i mentioned are good players, But lack toughness, so u might Just get your wish this year, Cavs are Playing Great

RonBurgundy · March 30, 2009 5:47AM

Well, I certainly hope you're right but I think the Lake Show has everybody covered this year. Also think they'll have home court in the end. We'll see................

leathtech · March 30, 2009 5:49AM

<< I have to be honest, not sure if my eyes are playing tricks on me, but does the left side look a little wavy also? >>

Won't that be EOT? Not sure how altered stock would have anything to do with a wavy left edge.

LakersFAN - I have Joe O's contact info if you'd like to call or e-mail - don't even bother wasting you time with CS they are preprogrmaed response computer-people.

LakersFAN · March 30, 2009 5:52AM

Stingray, i agree they should atleast include a reason ala BGS when a card is found to be altered , trimmed etc BGS atleast circles the area in Question, which would atleast give Us some kind of idea what the Grader saw

and hey Yankee i agree with you as far as Resale goes on some Cards PSA versus BGS , For instance a PSA 9 on this 86 Jordan stickers sells for 180-225 where as BGS 9's sell for 450-650

OAKESY25 · March 30, 2009 5:53AM

just curious.. what about the top right corner.. is that maybe a piece missing and collored to match??
or is it a tiny hair fiber???

daddymc · March 30, 2009 5:54AM

If you acquired the card secondhand, did you look at it under a black light? Sometimes alterations/touch ups will show under black light.

Dboneesq · March 30, 2009 5:54AM

<< Won't that be EOT? Not sure how altered stock would have anything to do with a wavy left edge. >>

Trimming, together with another type of "doctoring" a card, could fall into "ALTERED STOCK". Here is the definition from the PSA site:

# N-5 Altered Stock - This term is used when the paper stock is altered in one or more of the following ways: Stretching and trimming, recoloring and restoring, trimming and recoloring, restoring an trimming, crease or wrinkle is pressed out, or gloss is enhanced.

corvette1340 · March 30, 2009 5:55AM

<< just curious.. what about the top right corner.. is that maybe a piece missing and collored to match??
or is it a tiny hair fiber??? >>

yeah, I was wondering if that pube might be considered altered stock.

LakersFAN · March 30, 2009 5:56AM

<< 

<< I have to be honest, not sure if my eyes are playing tricks on me, but does the left side look a little wavy also? >>

Won't that be EOT? Not sure how altered stock would have anything to do with a wavy left edge.

LakersFAN - I have Joe O's contact info if you'd like to call or e-mail - don't even bother wasting you time with CS they are preprogrmaed response computer-people. >>

Leath thanks O'bunch i appreciate it man, Pm me the info

LakersFAN · March 30, 2009 5:57AM

Oak and Vette, No that was lint lol No pube sorry vette.....

leathtech · March 30, 2009 5:58AM

<< 

<< Won't that be EOT? Not sure how altered stock would have anything to do with a wavy left edge. >>

Trimming, together with another type of "doctoring" a card, could fall into "ALTERED STOCK". Here is the definition from the PSA site:

# N-5 Altered Stock - This term is used when the paper stock is altered in one or more of the following ways: Stretching and trimming, recoloring and restoring, trimming and recoloring, restoring an trimming, crease or wrinkle is pressed out, or gloss is enhanced. >>

I really want to know how to stretch a card

WinPitcher · March 30, 2009 6:03AM

They use a roller to stretch cards.

Lakers I have no idea regarding the 'altered' part of this thread.

I wouldn't give up though.

Steve

LakersFAN · March 30, 2009 6:04AM

<< If you acquired the card secondhand, did you look at it under a black light? Sometimes alterations/touch ups will show under black light. >>

No i did not look at it under a black light, ive had the card For a while, it was a SGC 96 mint, i did look it over while in the case , and moreso after it was cracked out, card was very sharp and could have been a PSA 9 or even a GEM 10 imo, so i thought i would press my luck and possibly have an outside chance at a 10

OAKESY25 · March 30, 2009 6:09AM

talk to joe
you need to at least be told what the issue is for the $$$ you spent

fur72 · March 30, 2009 6:17AM

In one of my many lots of Sandbergs I have bought over the years someone recolored the top of a McDonalds card. Why color something you can buy for $1

mickeymantle24 · March 30, 2009 6:24AM

This has gotten out of hands...That longoria I sent that got a 5, I rec ieved it back today, and can not find one speck on it.

Res · March 30, 2009 6:32AM

<< In one of my many lots of Sandbergs I have bought over the years someone recolored the top of a McDonalds card. Why color something you can buy for $1 >>

practice

jimq112 · March 30, 2009 7:01AM

Is it possible that PSA now considers using pantyhose to remove wax stains as "altered stock"?

Just a guess, can't think of any other way that card gets that result.

yankeeno7 · March 30, 2009 7:07AM

You cracked it out of an SGC 96? Thats what I meant from across the street...definately not BGS.

LakersFAN · March 30, 2009 7:14AM

ah gotcha yank, yea it was an SGC 96 mint , ive been thinking about switching to SGC, my Subscription Renewal is coming up within the next few weeks, not sure what i am going to do

Robeson · March 30, 2009 10:11AM

Just complain to Joe O and he will change it to a PSA 9. I believe that has happened in the past.

Bottom9th · March 30, 2009 10:58AM

Good luck...something is fishy with all these cards coming back like this...

lsutigers1973 · March 30, 2009 12:50PM

<< This has gotten out of hands...That longoria I sent that got a 5, I rec ieved it back today, and can not find one speck on it. >>

Still waiting to see a scan of this flawless PSA 5.

i give up Seriously ;(

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