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I hate it when people don't honor their word!..from a BST sale/ more news
Bruggs
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About a month ago I ran a thread selling a few toned Lincolns. I had small pics of each, but could email larger images. I had a gentleman imply that he would like larger pics, so I go ahead and email them to him. In a short time this gentleman replies back that the coin is sold and whats my paypal account. I reply back that I don't have a paypal account, but would take a check or money order or cash. About 10 days go by and I haven't heard or seen anything from this gentleman, so I PM him asking about payment. Nothing. 3 days later I PM him again. Now he responds that he ran out of checks and was waiting until he got checks in so he could pay me. Well 2 more weeks and 3 more PMs have been ignored. I know the guy is logged in because he posts about everyday. It's only $20, so it's not the money. If the guy doesn't want the coin why doesn't he just man up and tell me.
Thanks for letting me vent.
Bruggs
edit...so I send this guy a PM stating that the deal was off. A month is long enough to pay for a $20 coin. In less than 30 minutes I get a reply. He states that "you need to start taking paypal. I didn't even realize that I didn't pay as everyone here takes paypal +3%". Amazing how this PM got answered so quick. WTF!!!!!
Thanks for letting me vent.
Bruggs
edit...so I send this guy a PM stating that the deal was off. A month is long enough to pay for a $20 coin. In less than 30 minutes I get a reply. He states that "you need to start taking paypal. I didn't even realize that I didn't pay as everyone here takes paypal +3%". Amazing how this PM got answered so quick. WTF!!!!!
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Joe the plumber
.............joe the plumber has too much class for that!
a) PM him that the sale is officially off due to non-payment in a reasonable time frame.
b) Relist the coin(s).
c) Post this person's identity as a service to the rest of the members here.
<< <i>I would:
a) PM him that the sale is officially off due to non-payment in a reasonable time frame.
b) Relist the coin(s).
c) Post this person's identity as a service to the rest of the members here. >>
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
<< <i>There could be reasons other than deceit that have caused this situation...especially with the economy the way that it is. I've already had situations where a buyer could not complete a purchase because he came upon financial hardship or had a family issue arise. If the person lets me know, I don't get too excited about it. >>
So why is the buyer stringing along the seller? If the buyer can't pay for the coins, he should at least tell the seller.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
However, seems like some other communication occured after that and the buyer's behavior is inexcusable. You won't take PayPal, he doesn't have a check, maybe you should just call the deal off and move on?? That's what I would do, I would just not sell to them even if they eventually were able to get a check together. The lack of communication isn't cool at all, especially if you know they are logging in.
I've held coins that I had on the BST for folks while they were able to gather funds to pay or whatever, sometimes they've backed out, but as long as there is prompt communication it doesn't bug me, especially for something that isn't too expensive.
Not sure about outting them publicly though, would hope that you'd at least PM the buyer a link to this thread so they have the opportunity to respond.
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<< <i>I picked up some of Bruggs' Lincolns....top shelf. His loss. >>
I agree.
Caring, great seller.
I agree. It's usually more entertaining when that happens.
Frankly, I would not out the guy for non-payment on a $20 item. No harm, no foul. You still have the coin. Outing should be reserved for real malfeasance, IMO, not penny ante stuff.
b) Relist the coin(s).
c) Post this person's identity as a service to the rest of the members here. >>
B-S-T is what you make it. Your reluctance to do the above 3 things only perpetuates the problem.
Y not have a paypal account???
Are you blaming the buyer's non-performance on the seller for not having a paypal account?
Are you one of those gems who wins an ebay auction and then starts dictating the terms, hoping the seller is so afraid of a neg that they'll agree to anything?
Interesting thread.
I knew it would happen.
That said, please post the guy's user ID. If you don't, he's going to do the same thing to someone else here. The next seller might send him the coins first, thinking he's a respected daily contributor to the forum. Also, posting the guy's ID might help him stop buying toned Lincolns he evidently can't afford.
But never a response?
Anyhow, this ain't spam cause I ain't selling them now.
Date Posted: Jan/10/2009 9:53 AM
right now I've got 19 barber quarters and 25 halves
I'd ask 220 delivered. Not all of them are in the picture but you get the idea. I need to keep the Dansco book.
Dave.
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ACactions
Date Posted: Jan/10/2009 9:44 AM
we can work that out...
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DNADave
Date Posted: Jan/10/2009 9:37 AM
I'll have to photograph some stuff and get back with you.
How does 7 each for halves sound?
<< <i>There could be reasons other than deceit that have caused this situation...especially with the economy the way that it is. I've already had situations where a buyer could not complete a purchase because he came upon financial hardship or had a family issue arise. If the person lets me know, I don't get too excited about it. >>
Seems these days a lot of people can easily use that as an excuse too; we just have to take their word for it.
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<< <i>[Frankly, I would not out the guy for non-payment on a $20 item. No harm, no foul. You still have the coin. Outing should be reserved for real malfeasance, IMO, not penny ante stuff. >>
So what's the dollar value cutoff for outing someone who reneges on their word?
<< <i>So what's the dollar value cutoff for outing someone who reneges on their word? >>
$29.99
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<< <i>[Frankly, I would not out the guy for non-payment on a $20 item. No harm, no foul. You still have the coin. Outing should be reserved for real malfeasance, IMO, not penny ante stuff. >>
So what's the dollar value cutoff for outing someone who reneges on their word? >>
I would only out someone if money or a coin changed hands and the other party did not follow suit with the coin or money, any value. If I sustained some sort of an economic loss over the transaction, I guess I would out the person.
I can see Ryk's point here, too. I guess I've heard excuses like being out of checks, etc. so many times that it pisses me off enough that I would out the guy on general principle. Thinking about this a bit, the guy probably planned on paying with a credit card through Paypal, and now he needs to save up his cash. That's not malfeasance, but I'd still out the guy.
Stepping back, there might be a sad story of compulsive collecting behind this failed deal. Someone flying so low to the ground that they can't come up with $20 cash shouldn't be collecting coins IMHO. I think it's easy for people without much money to get caught up in the excitement of collecting, forgetting that regular contributors here like Ryk, Longacre, and Saintguru have high-paying professional careers that offer lots of disposable income, even after they buy their expensive homes, cars, Tiffany baubles for their women, $300 dinners, etc.
<< <i>I would only out someone if money or a coin changed hands and the other party did not follow suit with the coin or money, any value. If I sustained some sort of an economic loss over the transaction, I guess I would out the person. >>
Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification.
Edit: not poultry
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<< <i>[Frankly, I would not out the guy for non-payment on a $20 item. No harm, no foul. You still have the coin. Outing should be reserved for real malfeasance, IMO, not penny ante stuff. >>
So what's the dollar value cutoff for outing someone who reneges on their word? >>
I would only out someone if money or a coin changed hands and the other party did not follow suit with the coin or money, any value. If I sustained some sort of an economic loss over the transaction, I guess I would out the person. >>
RYK you are wrong on this.
A few years back a "Circle of Trust" member kept putting me off on payment for some coins. Finally he said he could not swing the deal after I had sent the coins. I looked at it as "No Harm, No Foul" instead of saying something about him on this forum. Well a few months later he took some members for quite a few bucks if I remember correctly. The bottom line is that if a person starts this crap it just keeps getting bigger if everyone lets the person get away it.
Maybe its "No Harm, No Foul" right now but down the road maybe the person will get you and then wil it be "No Harm, No Foul"?
If Bruggs wants to out the person I say do it.
Ken
If the buyer thought he was paying with paypal. Why did he say he was out of checks...
You either have a stupid buyer on your hands, or he has a bad case of ADHD....
I am usually against outing someone for a private deal.. But his response changed my mind.
I do not like dealing with stupid people. So please PM me his ID so I can avoid deals with him in the future..
Russ, NCNE
Funny Yaha. I'm done with this thread. Please out the guy, Bruggs.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>YaHa is just being a smartass.
Russ, NCNE >>
I was going to say "Dipsh!t"
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<< <i>YaHa is just being a smartass.
Russ, NCNE >>
I was going to say "Dipsh!t"
You guys know me I have nothing nice to say.
How bout a smartass Dipsh!t.
It seems to me the buyer never intended to buy from you. Like Russ said Deal was over at around two weeks.
Sorry for the humor guys, I couldn't resist.
<< <i>The only mistake Bruggs made is being too patient. After 13 days with no payment, and then a lame excuse about running out of checks the deal is dead.
Russ, NCNE >>
13 days is EXTREMELY liberal as far as I'm concerned. And that's if it's less than 25K unless an agreement has been made at the time of sale.
On 20 bucks? Cmon.
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<< <i>[Frankly, I would not out the guy for non-payment on a $20 item. No harm, no foul. You still have the coin. Outing should be reserved for real malfeasance, IMO, not penny ante stuff. >>
So what's the dollar value cutoff for outing someone who reneges on their word? >>
I would only out someone if money or a coin changed hands and the other party did not follow suit with the coin or money, any value. If I sustained some sort of an economic loss over the transaction, I guess I would out the person. >>
RYK you are wrong on this.
A few years back a "Circle of Trust" member kept putting me off on payment for some coins. Finally he said he could not swing the deal after I had sent the coins. I looked at it as "No Harm, No Foul" instead of saying something about him on this forum. Well a few months later he took some members for quite a few bucks if I remember correctly. The bottom line is that if a person starts this crap it just keeps getting bigger if everyone lets the person get away it.
Maybe its "No Harm, No Foul" right now but down the road maybe the person will get you and then wil it be "No Harm, No Foul"?
If Bruggs wants to out the person I say do it.
Ken >>
Well, we agree to disagree then. Just because someone backs out of a deal does not mean that they will try to steal something next. That's like saying that we should take cars away from people who get caught speeding because some people who get caught speeding later cause fatal accidents.
And, yes, if someone could not afford to pay up on a coin that they committed to buy from me, I would not make a big scene and out them here. Heck, a couple of folks failed to pay me postage on auction catalogs I sent them, despite promising to do so, and I never made a big deal out if it.
Not having paypal is no reason to cancel out on an agreed purchase.
I'd be thinking of kicking some a-- if it were me.
JT
I collect all 20th century series except gold including those series that ended there.
<< <i>I like the way it's done on the OSA board on the sale a message of SPF is put in the thread and the few times issues like this happens they just put the it's back up for sale buyer backed out (and they give the buyers Username). That way everyone knows what happened and you get to know user traits better. >>
Very interesting thought.
I say hang 'em
BTW, you can get a money order at The Post Office for 85 cents
JMHO, GrandAm
<< <i>edit...so I send this guy a PM stating that the deal was off. A month is long enough to pay for a $20 coin. In less than 30 minutes I get a reply. He states that "you need to start taking paypal. I didn't even realize that I didn't pay as everyone here takes paypal +3%". Amazing how this PM got answered so quick. WTF!!!!! >>
From your side of the story the guy sure sounds like he doesn't know what's going on. First he claims he ran out of checks, so he knew full well he had to pay by check and then he claims he didn't even know he didn't pay. If he's that scatter-brained he's not someone I'd really want to do business with. I think you did the right thing by calling off the deal.
Out the bastidge already
And thanks to YaHa, I got my first laugh of the night. If you hadn't, smoeone would've (I mean post what you did, not make me laugh).
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Bruggs
Now I feel better