1959 D & 1964 P Jefferson's.......opinions of grade please.

SUMORADA

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collegecoincollector

the 59-D is probably a 64 and no FS. the 64 is probably a 63 and no FS as well. i'm no expert on jeffersons though!

DRUNNER

The 59-D had a slightly better strike but the steps appear to have 2 breaks, so I don't think we have FS. I'd vote 65.

The 64 is solid for the grade of MS64, shot 65, but I think the bottom step is a bit weak. Better chance of FS though.

Perhaps a light touch with some acetone or (dare I mention it) MS70 would get rid of the spots on the 64's reverse.

Drunner

tightbudget

65 and 64, no FS for either

stephunter

I think the 59-D would go ms66 and the 64 is a high end MS64, but neither would go full step due to bridges on the steps.

coinkat

I like the 59-D and 66 seems right. I just don't know about Full Steps. I think it is a very close call and a coin like this deserves a significant premium regardless as whether it gets an FS.

I think the 64-D falls short on the reverse, but the funny thing is the FS call is even more of a challenge on this one. I like the obverse but I don't think it is strong enough to carry a 65, and I hope I am wrong... but never say never. Considering what most 64-D Jeffs look like, there is alot to be proud of owning this example

nicknut12

Noway, no how on the FS for
both coins.

And there is no way to grade the MS
from those photos.

Just can't see how much lustre the
coins have from those pics.

Although, both coins look nice.

Regards, Steve K.

clackamas

<< <i>I think the 59-D would go ms66 and the 64 is a high end MS64, but neither would go full step due to bridges on the steps. >>



I agree, but the 64 is a shot FS.

coinkat

Well... I would send them in if they were my coins. I think the FS is not as easy as most here seem to think. Keep in mind the magnification of the images.

Edscoin

66 on the 59 No FS
64 on the 64 No FS

FullStepJeffs

MS65 with a shot at MS66 on the 59...

Body Bag on the 64 due to the spots.

Neither are full step coins from the pictures.

Steve

coinman420

59 looks 66
64 looks 64/5

neither look FS

seanq

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<< <i>I think the 59-D would go ms66 and the 64 is a high end MS64, but neither would go full step due to bridges on the steps. >>



I agree, but the 64 is a shot FS. >>




It's funny, I always try to form my opinions on these "grade the image" threads before scrolling down, but in this case I ended up solidly with the majority. MS66 on the '59-D, and MS64 on the '64, with only the latter coin having any sort of shot at FS.

To give a little more detail: the '59-D looks very well struck and clean as a whistle. The steps are incomplete under the first pillar - for the FS designation they have to be full all the way across, and at least two of them bridge or disappear completely just before the left side. BTW, the Denver Mint must have been doing something right back then, as the 1958-D and 1959-D nickels are among some of the nicest minted in that era.

The '64 is not struck quite as well as the '59-D; look at the center of the hair, the ear and especially the jaw - there are marks on the jaw of the '64 which were on the planchet before it was struck, marks which were smoothed out by the strike on the '59-D. There are also a couple of deep nicks in the pillars on the reverse, which is a prime focal area. The steps are complete from side to side save for one small bridge between the third and fourth steps under the second pillar. I think PCGS would grade the coin either MS64FS or MS65 - often when a coin just misses a strike designation PCGS will bump the numerical grade a point as a sort of consolation prize.


Sean Reynolds

leothelyon

Love the strike on the 59-D. The 64 will make a nice filler.


Leo

BigDowgie

I'd put a "ditto" on the seanq reply!

leothelyon

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<< <i>I think the 59-D would go ms66 and the 64 is a high end MS64, but neither would go full step due to bridges on the steps. >>



I agree, but the 64 is a shot FS. >>



To give a little more detail: the '59-D looks very well struck and clean as a whistle. The steps are incomplete under the first pillar - for the FS designation they have to be full all the way across, and at least two of them bridge or disappear completely just before the left side. BTW, the Denver Mint must have been doing something right back then, as the 1958-D and 1959-D nickels are among some of the nicest minted in that era.

Sean Reynolds >>



So, do you think a coin with less of a strike and full steps is the better coin?


Hi Eric

I, for one, will not try to play any head games with you. Whether your coin will FS or not, it appears to be 100% fully struck, perhaps EDS and that's a whole lot more uncommon than having five steps on a poorly struck planchet where the rest of the important details did not strike up.
The following coin has an awesome EDS strike and that says alot about a coin made from 30 year old master hubs. It resides in a non FS MS66 holder and I have yet to see a better example of this date. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's was a better coin out there with the perfected steps everyone seems to worship around here.



Leo

Oh, and the steps are well represented as well.

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leothelyon,

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