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I liked it better before they "conserved" it!

Newcomp103Newcomp103 Posts: 2,223 ✭
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What do you think? (Not you RICKO....I assume you like it better now! imageimageimage)


1923-S Walker....A date I need!!!!
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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,174 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a dipped POS now.
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  • coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like a dipped POS now. >>



    What do you mean it looks like a dipped POS?


    lol




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  • fcfc Posts: 12,796 ✭✭✭
    that is the coin of the month to demonstrate their coin stripping
    skills on?

    lol. this hobby is so stupid sometimes. amazingly dumb example.
  • PreussenPreussen Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭
    Dipped & stripped image -Preussen
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I did not like it before, and I do not like it after.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,110 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry to disagree with you guys but that coin was an ugly POS and the dipping improved that coin greatly. I like original coins but sometimes original coins have really ugly toning and need to be dipped to make them marketable. You may now flame away.

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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    Looked like a turd before, but the after isn't great.
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  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,520 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would not like it with a fox, I do not like it in a box, I do not like it in cab, I would not like it in a slab.
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  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    A coin like that should simply be left alone!image
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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like a dipped POS now. >>



    Was an ugly POS before....
  • DJCoinzDJCoinz Posts: 3,856 ✭
    Hey! Conservation of the month reporting is my job!



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  • curlycurly Posts: 2,880 ✭


    I agree with PerryHall, brothers. It's a collector coin. I like the "after" a lot better.
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  • NHSBaseballNHSBaseball Posts: 2,470 ✭
    I don't like it either way. However, before it at least looked original. The "after" could be improved by putting it in an old Whitman folder for a decade or two. Or maybe burying it.image
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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,018 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The conservators at NCS were able to remove the spotted color yet leave the surfaces looking natural. >>


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  • lavalava Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭
    The blurb next to the photo says the surfaces now look natural. To who, Joan Rivers?

    It was a problem coin before, and a problem coin after, only a different problem.

    It doesn't float my boat, but it is a matter of personal preference I guess.
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  • SirAnthonyACSirAnthonyAC Posts: 646
    If the coin's color is that flat in hand then yes... it's stripped and looks like so.

    However, if it's just a scanning issue, as scanners often cannot capture luster and make even brand new super shinny state quarters look flat and grey, then the coin could have wonderful luster.

    Photos are tough but from that photo, it looks like the surface has been stripped away leaving a dull, flat, grey toneless coin.
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I did not like it before, and I do not like it after. >>



    I completely agree.
  • claychaserclaychaser Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭✭
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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    One has fugly toning and the other looks stripped and lifeless. A big PASS on before *and* after.
  • zeebobzeebob Posts: 2,825 ✭
    I did NOT like it before conservation.

    I did like it better after conservation as a stand alone coin.

    The only way the coin would be "cool" before conservation is as part of a low grade type set or year set where all the coins had a similarly corroded appearance.

    The coin certainly lacks luster and looks dull after the conservation, but at least the details are clearer and maybe or maybe not future corrosion was abated.


  • fcfc Posts: 12,796 ✭✭✭
    i think a lot of people who dislike the before look are the main reasons
    why most coins are messed with to this day.

    why buy that when you can get a coin from a dealer that has
    been stripped of its original toning like that example and then
    AT'd to what you expect in the way of prettiness.

    the coin was what it was. conserving it was pointless unless you
    only consider the marketing of the coin for money!

    bingo!

    and people wonder why all the dirty original gold coins have gone???
  • morganbarbermorganbarber Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭
    I don't particularly like the crust look, but it beats the faky look.
    I collect circulated U.S. silver
  • robecrobec Posts: 6,907 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>One has fugly toning and the other looks stripped and lifeless. A big PASS on before *and* after. >>



    Took the words right out of my mouth. If there were some luster left on the after then I might deem it a success.

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  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    Wow. Why would they advertise that they destroy coins? The eye appeal wasn't great before really...but now...the coin just looks terrible. I didn't know conserve meant "destroy." That's a dang shame.
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  • jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
    RYK tried to teach you all about that with his word for the day, earlier.
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,866 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a typical, bland, dipped coin, but "the market" wants white.
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  • MowgliMowgli Posts: 1,219 ✭
    I think some of you should insist that NCS have a requirement that submitters pass through this board before they can conserve a coin.

    It was ugly and none of you know whether it had been messed with before it was toned or if this was the second toning - not without having seen it in hand. Each of us has ideas of what has eye appeal and they are not the same - or else everyone would be after my wife. White coins used to be "in" so people dipped their coins, now toned is in so these same people tone their coins. A coin 85 years old with 90% silver should be dark grey or black. The silver compounds found on these coin are going to have consumed some of the silver in the coin - probably not so much as dipping since once it forms a compound on the surface it tends to protect the underlying silver. I have some black silver coins with mint luster and they are interesting but not everyone likes them and this is often dependent on the series. I'm pretty sure that a complete set of black, mint state barbers would not be viewed by many as appealing.
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  • 08HALA2008HALA20 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would not like it with a fox, I do not like it in a box, I do not like it in cab, I would not like it in a slab. >>




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    I agree, I thought it needed help before but it obviously looks cleaned and not much better if any after.

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  • direwolf1972direwolf1972 Posts: 2,076 ✭✭✭
    have to agree I think the original surfaces are much nicer than the blast white results of "conservation".
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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i> have to agree I think the original surfaces are much nicer than the blast white results of "conservation". >>

    They're both fugly as hell, but I still prefer original fug over dipped, stripped and lifeless fug.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The conservators at NCS were able to remove the spotted color yet leave the surfaces looking natural. This coin was able to grade with NGC following professional conservation.

    Major BS... Yes so natural that there's more life on the surface of Uranus... or Mine! imageimageimage

    Too many horse and pony tricks at NGC/NCS today, as the only difference anymore IMHO is NCS mentions the problem on the slab... NGC does NOT! imageimage
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Shine em up, ready for a image sticker! image

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  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I did not like it before, and I do not like it after. >>



    Me neither.
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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think that was a good example
    for NGC to show as a coin
    that conservation improved

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  • MajorDutyMajorDuty Posts: 1,998
    Ugly before + Ugly after = FUgly
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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the "after" images are easier for me to look at. with the "before" images i actually had to focus a bit lower down through my glasses, but that could just be a result either of the picture such as the focus. still, i tend to like the "after" picture anyway. i doubt that the coin looked as bad as it does with the tone and it probably has some faint tone after conservation. for those guys who really dislike it, just think, now you can go out and buy a Wayte Raymond coin board, a Dansco or some other folder/holder and stick it in there to get some pretty color to it. then we can all say how nice it looks and everybody can agree that it isn't AT to do that!!image

    that's the hypocrisy here-----it's a bad thing to take a coin which has potentially damaging contaminants on it's surface and professionally remove them to preserve the integrity of the coin long-term. at the same time, it's perfectly OK to place a coin in the presence of known contaminants which could potentially damage the coin's surface as long as the result is pretty and happens according to a pre-agreed upon period of time.

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,395 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wasn't crazy about it before, but absolutely hate it after manipulation.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,110 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Which coin would bring more in an eBay auction?

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  • coindudeonebaycoindudeonebay Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I did not like it before, and I do not like it after. >>

    Totally agree here... ugly before and uglier after... no character at all. I would have been ashamed to have posted that last image... that's one should have never showed off.
  • MisterBungleMisterBungle Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭

    "This coin was able to grade with NGC following professional conservation."
    -----

    So, what was it "able to grade"??

    What kind of number did NGC put on this one??

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  • PreussenPreussen Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭


    << <i> A coin 85 years old with 90% silver should be dark grey or black. >>

    Yeah, right image -Preussen
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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭✭✭
    dipping has improved the coin greatly
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  • GFourDriverGFourDriver Posts: 2,366 ✭
    not worth much over melt before or after.
  • seatedcoinsseatedcoins Posts: 1,096 ✭


    << <i>A coin like that should simply be left alone!image >>



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    I cannot believe there wasn't anything better than that.
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I cannot believe there wasn't anything better than that.

    Maybe this was the least MOLESTED example this month image

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  • ajiaajia Posts: 5,403 ✭✭✭
    To choose between the two, I choose 'conserved'.

    But thats like choosing between Joan Rivers before all the operations & Joan Rivers afterwards! image
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  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 4,341 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> I have some black silver coins with mint luster and they are interesting but not everyone likes them and this is often dependent on the series. I'm pretty sure that a complete set of black, mint state barbers would not be viewed by many as appealing. >>



    If you have any black, mint state Barbers, please let me know.
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  • GeminiGemini Posts: 3,085 ✭
    This operation was not a success and the patient died.
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  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭


    << <i>This operation was not a success and the patient died. >>



    Ha!
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  • Newcomp103Newcomp103 Posts: 2,223 ✭


    << <i>not worth much over melt before or after. >>




    I will gladly pay melt for it even after they washed it!!! If anyone wants to sell it for that please pm me ASAP!!!image

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