How does this 1970 Richie Allen #40 get the "9" ???

chaz43

Explain the centering on this to me. It's got to be 80/20 TB? I don't understand. chaz

Estil

Looks more like 65/35. I don't think it's that far off.

nam812

You think that's bad? How did this card get a 9?

chaz43

<< <i>You think that's bad? How did this card get a 9?

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Nam- looks like a "pee" splash to me. chaz




PS: Joe Orlando says "we're human, we make mistakes". Ah.... yeah Joe, I guess so.

chaz43

<< <i>Looks more like 65/35. I don't think it's that far off. >>





I measured it and it was 77/33. "9" territory??????????? chaz

detroitfan2

PSA 6.

-chaz

chaz43

<< <i>PSA 6.

-chaz >>





Beat me to it. Absolutely. chaz

psafan

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<< <i>Looks more like 65/35. I don't think it's that far off. >>





I measured it and it was 77/33. "9" territory??????????? chaz >>



77/33? is there 110% of the card on that card

brianwintersfan

Any of the big submitters selling those??

brianwintersfan

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<< <i>Looks more like 65/35. I don't think it's that far off. >>





I measured it and it was 77/33. "9" territory??????????? chaz >>



77/33? is there 110% of the card on that card >>

nam812

<< <i>Any of the big submitters selling those?? >>



Yes.

brianwintersfan

And??

bman90278

<< <i> Explain the centering on this to me. It's got to be 80/20 TB? I don't understand. chaz >>



To me that card looks very close to many other PSA 9's I have seen on the 1970 cards and I don't see any PSA 10's right now for comparing. They must be super tough cards so are you should try to resub. I certainly understand your frustration as you are looking at a big gain in value.

for the PSA to institute 9.5 Grades!!!!!!!

chaz43

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<< <i> Explain the centering on this to me. It's got to be 80/20 TB? I don't understand. chaz >>



To me that card looks very close to many other PSA 9's I have seen on the 1970 cards and I don't see any PSA 10's right now for comparing. They must be super tough cards so are you should try to resub. I certainly understand your frustration as you are looking at a big gain in value.

for the PSA to institute 9.5 Grades!!!!!!! >>




I don't know... I was going through one of my raw 1970 sets and came across one just like the pic I put up and I am going to send it in and see what happens. chaz

1960toppsguy

The Williams card deserves the PSA-9 as it has OIL on the front of it. It should sell for a premium!

chaz43

<< <i>The Williams card deserves the PSA-9 as it has OIL on the front of it. It should sell for a premium! >>




It's not oil, it's a "pee" stain. chaz

WinPitcher

Who cares what technical grade problem cards receive? Price will reflect the problem.
The Allen IMO looks ok for a low end 9, the Williams however should have received the (ST)
qualifier. I have seen that stain on many a card.


Steve

nam812

<< <i>.....the Williams however should have received the (ST)
qualifier. I have seen that stain on many a card.


Steve >>



Me too, just not on an unqualified PSA 9.

chaz43

<< <i>Who cares what technical grade problem cards receive? Price will reflect the problem.
The Allen IMO looks ok for a low end 9, the Williams however should have received the (ST)
qualifier. I have seen that stain on many a card.


Steve >>



Well then why don't they put the qualifier on it?? You have to be more blind than a rhino not to see that stain and not give a qualifier. The Allen card I posted would have gotten an OC qualifier from me PSA 9 (OC) which rates it a 7 in my book. chaz

WinPitcher

Chaz, I dunno. I did not grade those cards, like I said the Allen is a 9 IMO the Williams should
have received the qualifier. And as for you getting a 7 for it you may have received an 8 too. (for the Allen)

The 9 to 7 thingie is ONLY for registry weighting. Some cards can have 8 or 9 corners but centering can and has knocked them down to 3
and better. It is those cards I want the OC qualifier.


I have no problem buying the Allen as a 9. Would I go all out for it? No, but I'd pay 8+ money for it.

Steve

chaz43

<< <i>Chaz, I dunno. I did not grade those cards, like I said the Allen is a 9 IMO the Williams should
have received the qualifier. And as for you getting a 7 for it you may have received an 8 too. (for the Allen)

The 9 to 7 thingie is ONLY for registry weighting. Some cards can have 8 or 9 corners but centering can and has knocked them down to 3
and better. It is those cards I want the OC qualifier.


I have no problem buying the Allen as a 9. Would I go all out for it? No, but I'd pay 8+ money for it.

Steve >>



WinPitcher- I still don't understand on the Allen card pic I posted. How can you say it justifies the 9 when it is so OC T/B ?? I have seen other Allen cards that are nicely centered and got the 9. Pls. explain. chaz

nam812

Chaz, you aren't taking about all the gray thickness at the bottom are you? You should really only be looking at the gray portion underneath his name, not all the gray down there.

On a card like this where all 4 sides con not have equal thickness I try to make sure the single area (the top in this case) is about equal thickness to the other two areas (left and right in this case).

Top to bottom centering is very hard to tell on 1972's as well since there is that bubble top breaking the into the white border on the top, and the oval that houses the name breaking into the white border on the bottom.

chaz43

Nam- that makes sense to me. thanks. chaz

otwcards

Actually, on the 1970 Topps, the implied bottom border is actually lower than the bottom of the Name/Position text. Why? Because on many cards, there are letters that extend down below that portion of the border field. Letters like "g, j, p, q, y." This is something that is rarely taken into consideration when looking at cards that don't contain such letters.

Just my two cents and something else to consider...

markj111

The Allen looks fine to me. It is centered a little high, but is not unsightly.

WinPitcher

Chaz I did say it was low end for the grade. I have seen 9's for that set with the line at the top.

It is just the way the set is. The T/B centering is not as bad as you think.


Steve

chaz43

<< <i>Chaz I did say it was low end for the grade. I have seen 9's for that set with the line at the top.

It is just the way the set is. The T/B centering is not as bad as you think.


Steve >>




Ok WinPitcher. I'll take your word for it. chaz