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cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
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It a coin I'm thinking of bidding on.

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  • kryptonitecomicskryptonitecomics Posts: 9,185 ✭
    AT
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,983 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would not buy that coin.
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  • capecape Posts: 1,621 ✭
    if you can't tell, you should'nt be collecting! AT
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  • MesquiteMesquite Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭
    AT, without seeing the coin in hand.
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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I posed the same question to the seller, btw, I say AT but I couldn't be sure as he had several NT coins as well.
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  • JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭
    That looks very "artistic".
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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>if you can't tell, you should'nt be collecting! AT >>



    Thank you for your insight.
    Many happy BST transactions
  • UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AT
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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AT, your joking right!!!
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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>AT, your joking right!!! >>



    Thank you for your insight.
    Many happy BST transactions
  • copperfancopperfan Posts: 803
    I would think that is an At coin. I am by no means an expert, but it just doesnt look right.
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  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    I'll say that it's questionable, but not flat-out AT. I've seen this type of color occure completely naturally. About 2 years ago I handled a batch of about 40 rolls of 1881-S Morgan Dollars, which had been taken straight out of the original ba and rolled up in homemade looseleaf paper rolls. All the end-roll coins had color extremely similar to this.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is AT... all the way.... Cheers, RickO
  • BubbleheadBubblehead Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭
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    AT too!
  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    AT
  • poorguypoorguy Posts: 4,317 ✭
    Blazing AT.
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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    I think it is AT, but I agree with GEN that it is not as blatant as people are claiming.

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  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    Pass.
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  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It a coin I'm thinking of bidding on.

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    You're kidding of course?

    Ray
  • ModernDollarNutModernDollarNut Posts: 886
    Would be considered AT by all the major TPG's. Rob
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  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    Not market acceptable...
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  • thisnamztakenthisnamztaken Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    People have varying tastes in what they like to see on a coin's surface. If it appeals to you and you can afford whatever you'll be paying for it , buy it!

    I'd say there's a 90% likelihood it's AT and 10% that it's very questionable but again, who cares what others say if you're buying it just for your own enjoyment and not expecting to eventually make a profit on it (or probably even recoup what you paid for it)?

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  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭
    I would not buy that coin.


    Ditto, ditto, ditto...
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,225 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PT Pukey Toning.....
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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>It a coin I'm thinking of bidding on.

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    You're kidding of course?

    Ray >>



    Thank you for your insight.
    Many happy BST transactions
  • Mercury10cMercury10c Posts: 2,958
    My first tendency was AT, based on the colors on Liberty's cheek and hair. The goldish toning in the field
    in front of Liberty's face looks very natural though. I would find something else to buy, something where
    you don't have to even ask the question, if you know what I mean. Is it worth the risk, is what I'm getting
    at.
  • CarlWohlforthCarlWohlforth Posts: 11,074 ✭
    It does have some pull away of color at the date and stars. That is an NT clue. However the blue and purple look like they were poured on the coin so do look clearly AT. So I'm voting AT with everybody else but I wanted to post because of the pull away effect most noticeable under the 18 in the date. Does anybody have a comment on that?
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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the colors do not look like a naturally toned coin, "crayon-like" might be a good term with the bright blues and purples.


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  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Run Forest run!!!
  • Mercury10cMercury10c Posts: 2,958


    << <i>Does anybody have a comment on that? >>


    Yes, most people just look at the colors and say they are too bright or 'crayon like' or whatever, and they
    do not look at the charcteristics of NT vs AT, such as the 'pull away effect.' I would not buy the coin just
    because there is some doubt in my mind about the toning, but I am not 100% that this coin is AT. That
    gold toning in front of Liberty's face is NT all the way.
    Edited to add: The annoying thing about these "AT vs NT" threads is that everyone wants to make a
    judgement, but nobody will back it up by saying, "The coins is AT because....." Sorry, but
    crayola-like, and highlighter-like are not sufficient evidence.
  • sturmgrenadiersturmgrenadier Posts: 158
    'Yes, most people just look at the colors and say they are too bright or 'crayon like' or whatever, and they
    do not look at the charcteristics of NT vs AT, such as the 'pull away effect.'

    In layman's terms, would you please explain to newcomers what is meant by the 'pull away effect'? Sorry if it is self-explanatory, but I'm just not getting it.
  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>It a coin I'm thinking of bidding on.

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    You're kidding of course?

    Ray >>



    Thank you for your insight. >>



    It's your money......don't ask next time.

    Ray
  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let's not forget about all the "are you crazy" comments I've gotten.

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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reverse pic added.
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  • CarlWohlforthCarlWohlforth Posts: 11,074 ✭
    <<In layman's terms, would you please explain to newcomers what is meant by the 'pull away effect'? Sorry if it is self-explanatory, but I'm just not getting it. >>

    Under the 18 in the date and some stars you can see what looks like an untoned shadow of those devices. Right under the 18 is a tiny white area. It is as if the color was "pulled away" from the date and stars. That is an effect that is seen on some bag toned Morgan Dollars and looks natural to me.

    The bright blue looks like it was liquid that was poured on the coin. Bag toned Morgans will often have colors deep in the crevices that are different from the highest parts of the devices.

    This coin may have been gold toned naturally with some sky blue and purple added later by artificial means. Of course this is just guessing on my part...
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,225 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pass with a capital P.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • sturmgrenadiersturmgrenadier Posts: 158
    Thank you for the clear explanation of the 'pull away effect'. Even I can see what you are talking aboutimage

    'Bag toned Morgans will often have colors deep in the crevices that are different from the highest parts of the devices.'

    Do you mean that, for example, the blue on the high points of the cotton bulbs should be a different shade than the lines within the bulbs and the 'cracks' in between the bulbs?
  • ibzman350ibzman350 Posts: 5,315 ✭
    Natural.............butt ugly.


    The shadow effect.................I think that is what its called, see south side of stars and date.


    Herb
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  • OneCentOneCent Posts: 3,561 ✭
    With respect to original toning I always ask myself the following questions:

    1.) Have I seen toning similar to the pattern and color of which the coin I am interested posesses?

    2.) What reasonable storage method(s) may have caused said toning (i.e., double mint set toned coins have a distinct toning "look" to them, bag toned Morgans have a distinct toning pattern/colors)

    3.) Is it raw? If so, why wouldn't it be slabbed as it is so colorfully toned and sure to command a market premium?

    4.) Do I know/trust seller of said coin? Does he/she have a reputation for selling NT coins?

    5.) If I decide to purchase the coin and it is indeed AT, will I hate the coin forever and want to get rid of it as soon as possible.



    Personally, I think that the coin has been doctored and the toning is not the result of any natural process. The colors seem too vibrant and "wet" to be of any naturally occuring toning process. I have seen Morgans toned like that but never with the irridescence shown on this one. I cannot imagine PCGS or NGC grading the coin with the above toning.
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  • CB2597CB2597 Posts: 3,042
    If you really want an authentic toned coin ...this one is currently on Ebay. Owned by one of our respected authority on toning in the PCGS boards. NGC PF65

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  • EdscoinEdscoin Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭
    Looks NT and AT. I think it was a natural toned coin and someone added some At to it.
    ED
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  • ibzman350ibzman350 Posts: 5,315 ✭


    << <i>Looks NT and AT. I think it was a natural toned coin and someone added some At to it. >>







    I think this may just be the answer,



    Herb
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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The hammer fell and no, I didn't buy.

    Interesting comments from everyone though and I thank each and every one of you.

    Tom

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