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If the value of your collection goes down because of the new scale......

then you bought poorly. It was bound to happen eventually with or without the new scale.

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  • halosfanhalosfan Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm going to respectfully ask that you change your avatar. That Larry guy is way too creepy for me!
    Looking for a Glen Rice Inkredible and Alex Rodriguez cards
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    Sorry Jack, can't do it. Mr. Furley asked me to tell you to keep the noise down. Also, give me a call when Janet's in the shower so I can come over.
  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    i dont see mine going down any ,hopefully,i got lots of 8's that might be 8.5s now i supposeimage
  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭


    << <i>then you bought poorly. It was bound to happen eventually with or without the new scale. >>



    No. If I purchased PSA7s and they go down because they aren't "good" PSA7s then PSA should have had a distiction to begin with. They were paid to make sure that those buying a 7 were getting a 7 in quality. The idea was that buying a PSA7 was the smart choice because they were doing their job. Now they are saying that all 7s are not equal, pay us to see which your 7 is or lose value for letting your cards sit there while everyone else resubs theirs.

    It appears to me that buying PSA and buying poorly were one in the same.
    To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15
  • cd, you being paid by psa? you seem to be the only pro half grade preacher in here...just asking
  • Your PSA 7's are fine. Guess I haven't seen them but how did they look? Quit buying numbers
    "I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they
    wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're
    going to feel all day. "
    ~Frank Sinatra


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    << <i>then you bought poorly. It was bound to happen eventually with or without the new scale. >>



    No. If I purchased PSA7s and they go down because they aren't "good" PSA7s then PSA should have had a distiction to begin with. They were paid to make sure that those buying a 7 were getting a 7 in quality. The idea was that buying a PSA7 was the smart choice because they were doing their job. Now they are saying that all 7s are not equal, pay us to see which your 7 is or lose value for letting your cards sit there while everyone else resubs theirs.

    It appears to me that buying PSA and buying poorly were one in the same. >>




    I fail to see the logic that your PSA 7's....NM.....are now not NM because there is a PSA 7.5. In fact, if PSA went out of business tomorrow, I would fail to see how a PSA 7 1959 Mantle......is not a NM 1959 Mantle.

    Anyone want to sell me PSA 7 Mantles at EX-MT price?
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "I fail to see the logic that your PSA 7's....NM.....are now not NM because there is a PSA 7.5.
    In fact, if PSA went out of business tomorrow, I would fail to see how a PSA 7 1959 Mantle......is not a NM 1959 Mantle."

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  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭

    Hey, now would be the time to send in that HONUS for a .5 bump image
  • send it in if u have it Carew. dang am a Twins fan too, this must make u happy have always been a hater
    "I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they
    wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're
    going to feel all day. "
    ~Frank Sinatra
  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,325 ✭✭✭✭✭
    cd, you being paid by psa? you seem to be the only pro half grade preacher in here...just asking

    Him and meteorite man.

    Wow, the big shot collectors like Davillo are really getting special deals from PSA? That's the kind of crap I hate, favortism and so forth.


  • schr1stschr1st Posts: 1,677 ✭✭
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    << <i>Hey, now would be the time to send in that HONUS for a .5 bump image >>



    Who is Rober Maris?
  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭
    This is why they go down.

    People will start to send in their 7s and 7.5s will exist. As time goes on the PSA7s that are still left unbumped will be assumed that they are low end 7s. How many times have you seen threads about sellers that say "would grade a 10". We all laugh because we knew that if it would grade a 10 then they would submit it and sell the 10 for much more. The same will happen with the 7s in time. The assumtion will be that it is not a 7.5 and therefore a lowend 7. Right now the 7s I have could be highend or lowend.

    This can be solved with a .0 and .5 system as mentioned in other threads. But I haven't heard anything from PSA.


    noanswersonlyquestions - I've never purchased a number. I like my cards and would love them raw, but every now and then I sell some to buy others. Or trade. It's part of the hobby. The value that I sell or trade on is dependent on the expert opinion provided by the grader. My opinion doesn't carry the same weight as PSAs and they just determined that all my 7s are low end. Unless of course I resubmit...
    To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15


  • << <i>cd, you being paid by psa? you seem to be the only pro half grade preacher in here...just asking

    Him and meteorite man.

    Wow, the big shot collectors like Davillo are really getting special deals from PSA? That's the kind of crap I hate, favortism and so forth. >>




    I wish.....heck, I would be willing to take a free membership.

    I think I am just one of those happy go with the ride type of people. I tend to not get upset over things I can not control. I have traveled the world and I think that 95% people are good. Be thy Republican, Democrat, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Wiccan or whatever.

    Having different views is a good thing, so is debating. However most of the "complaints" have been almost completely emotional.

    Following the logic of most people against the 0.5 point, my PSA 7 1953 Topps Mantle that I don't really own, but would have been quite proud to have two days ago, is now tainted. That if I paid extra for that PSA 7 with its awesome eye appeal, that it would not sell for more then the average 7 tomorrow. That NM card sold for a bonus before grading....and it will sell a bonus next week if grading ended tomorrow.

    Personally I do not see think this will effect me much. I collect Young and Allen in PSA 9 and 10 and then play around with all the Topps sets from 1980 up, plus various 90's football sets. The 9's I have in my Topps sets are ones I have purchased in the hurts to sell price range. Such as I picked up 7 1985 Topps PSA 9's today for $21....which I think might move me up a slot.....hee, hee, hee.

    If you took a set of 1984 Topps baseball in PSA 9 and listed everything individually at $0.99 last month, I think half would have ended at $0.99 and 95% at less then grading fees. I don't see the 8.5 having much affect here.

    Take a 1961 Topps set and you have a different story I understand. But I also understand that if the person owning a PSA 7-9 set of 1961 Topps cards, should have the ability...having purchased those cards....to look over then and pull out the best 25 to get bumps. They could then take the bumps, sell them, rebuy the 7's and 8's and come up several hundred ahead....and if played right, several thousand.

    I will do my best to avoid all of this tomorrow,

    Clear Skies,
    Mark



    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.


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    << <i>then you bought poorly. It was bound to happen eventually with or without the new scale. >>



    No. If I purchased PSA7s and they go down because they aren't "good" PSA7s then PSA should have had a distiction to begin with. They were paid to make sure that those buying a 7 were getting a 7 in quality. >>



    It has always been the wisest decision to pay the premium for a highend card in the grade.... besides the fact, as a collector, you should want your cards to be aestically pleasing. I have no remorse for those that bought lowend cards in the grade just to "fill a hole". Everyone knows a 7 is not a 7, so if you bought lowend, that was your own poor judgement.
  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    Umm yeah I thought grading was to level the playing field and make buyers of cards more comfortable with their purchases espeically on auction sites. Now were back to if you bought "low end" cards instead of bumpable "high end" cards its your fault, how about it's PSA's fault for being too broad in their grading definitions to start with and not having consistency.
    Currently completing the following registry sets: Cardinal HOF's, 1961 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1972 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1980 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, Bill Mazeroski Master & Basic Sets, Roberto Clemente Master & Basic Sets, Willie Stargell Master & Basic Sets and Terry Bradshaw Basic Set
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092


    << <i>how about it's PSA's fault for being too broad in their grading definitions to start with and not having consistency. >>



    And now they're improving upon that and people are complaining.

    And for the record, no, I'm not being paid by PSA. I would happily send my cards to SGC or BGS if they sold for more than PSA graded cards. In fact, I don't have a single PSA card in my collection- I keep everything raw. PSA is a buying and selling tool, and anybody who thinks it is anything more is deluding themselves or naive.
  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭
    On to a more important topic...

    I'm going to respectfully ask that you change your avatar. That Larry guy is way too creepy for me!

    Halo- are you kidding me? Larry was a player back in the late 70's. He got a lot of action down at the Regal Beagle. I think you are just player hating.
  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    Lee, I think the scale being too broad "now" is because of the change. I can't remember too many threads were people were demanding a 1/2 point scale. I was just objecting to the "if you bought low end cards well tough luck" attitude. You said it yourself PSA is a tool to sell and it has made internet sales more enticing and helped the hobby as whole. Now were back to, you should of graded your own graded card before buying and oh yeah if you used ebay tough luck on that. The thing with low pop commons I agree with you 100%, If PSA started with a 1/2 point system I would have been fine with it, starting one 15 years later seems like too long to "just" realize the scale was broken.
    Currently completing the following registry sets: Cardinal HOF's, 1961 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1972 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1980 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, Bill Mazeroski Master & Basic Sets, Roberto Clemente Master & Basic Sets, Willie Stargell Master & Basic Sets and Terry Bradshaw Basic Set


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    << <i> I would happily send my cards to SGC or BGS if they sold for more than PSA graded cards. In fact, I don't have a single PSA card in my collection- I keep everything raw. PSA is a buying and selling tool, and anybody who thinks it is anything more is deluding themselves or naive. >>



    Excellent post. Without the registry, BGS would be kicking PSA's ass on post-1972 cards.
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