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DavemriDavemri Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭
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It seems as if PSA "dropped this bombshell" and then went into hiding about answering questions...Please ask questions here and see if we get a response from PSA..

I have a couple questions about the .5 grading scale after "sleeping" on it. Actually, I didnt sleep that well but that's another story......Anyway here goes..

1. Are we going to be able to tell whether a card has been looked at to try for the .5 bump? If not, This could create huge problems. Let's say I send everyone of my cards in to be "looked at". I keep all the one's that got a bump and I sell all my others. The person that buys all my "non-bumps" sends all them to PSA looking for a "bump". In theory, none of them should get bumped since they've already been looked at. THere are many things that could be done but must be done on the front of the flip so easiy distinguished. How bout a 9 digit cert # instead of 8? Every card graded without the .5 bump will be advertised as "This one needs to be sent in for a .5 bump"......Just a thought..

2. Are there going to be grading specials for these review's? I feel PSA is making a mistake by making everyone pay the same fee's as a raw card. I have thousands invested in my collection and feel that if I don't get all my cards looked at for bumps that I would be leaving money on the table any time I sold. That being said, I just can't afford to spend several thousand dollars to get my cards "reviewed"

3. If we are going to these "drastic measure's" for .5 grading then why, at the same time can't we get a more secure holder with the card/grade on the top edge like GAI? Might as well get all done at once. I don't want a new holder introduced in 3 years that is more secure. Then you can make more money having everyone pay to get collections in new holders.......


Keep in mind that I am not "bashing" the new grading, I would just like some answers....

Dave Back
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  • vintagetoppsguyvintagetoppsguy Posts: 871


    << <i>1. Are we going to be able to tell whether a card has been looked at to try for the .5 bump? If not, This could create huge problems. Let's say I send everyone of my cards in to be "looked at". I keep all the one's that got a bump and I sell all my others. The person that buys all my "non-bumps" sends all them to PSA looking for a "bump". In theory, none of them should get bumped since they've already been looked at. THere are many things that could be done but must be done on the front of the flip so easiy distinguished. How bout a 9 digit cert # instead of 8? Every card graded without the .5 bump will be advertised as "This one needs to be sent in for a .5 bump"......Just a thought.. >>




    That is an excellent question. Since the root of all this is for PSA to make more money, then I would have to say, no - there would not be a way to tell if a card has already been 'looked at" before. Therefore, the same card keeps getting bought, re-submitted to PSA to be "looked at" once again and then re-sold. It is a circle. They keep making money from the same card over and over.

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  • JasP24JasP24 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭
    I agree 100% with #2 and #3 posed by Dave.

    As to #1, I would never send a card in for review (in its holder) if I knew PSA would label that card as a "reviewed" card. If it doesn't get the bump, its a 2 time loser and the price when you sell will drop. If it does get the bump, then it was a "slider" to begin with and the price when you sell will drop.

    If they ever did that, I would just pop and re-submit raw. The bad part of that is pop and resubmits skew the population count, while reviews would just change the initial grade, it wouldn't just add to it.

    I could care less what someone puts on their ebay auction or dealer website. Everyone thinks their cards are undergraded and all sellers try to maximize profit, some via false advertising. Make sure you see a good scan of any card you are paying a premium for because you think it is high end. Then you can judge for yourself. If you aren't paying the premium you really don't have a reason to complain. If you get a bump, you'll make money on the backend.

    Just my opinion of course,
    Jason
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  • jradke4jradke4 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭
    "1. Are we going to be able to tell whether a card has been looked at to try for the .5 bump? If not, This could create huge problems. Let's say I send everyone of my cards in to be "looked at". I keep all the one's that got a bump and I sell all my others. The person that buys all my "non-bumps" sends all them to PSA looking for a "bump". In theory, none of them should get bumped since they've already been looked at. THere are many things that could be done but must be done on the front of the flip so easiy distinguished. How bout a 9 digit cert # instead of 8? Every card graded without the .5 bump will be advertised as "This one needs to be sent in for a .5 bump"......Just a thought.."

    My Reply: In theroy no card that is ever sent back in should receive a bump but we all know that isnt the case. Look at all the crack and resub threads. Heck I had a 5 bump to 10 on my last sub. That should never occurr. Nor should a 2 to a 6, unless the card was helped along the way.

    "2. Are there going to be grading specials for these review's? I feel PSA is making a mistake by making everyone pay the same fee's as a raw card. I have thousands invested in my collection and feel that if I don't get all my cards looked at for bumps that I would be leaving money on the table any time I sold. That being said, I just can't afford to spend several thousand dollars to get my cards "reviewed""

    My Reply: PSA knows how much they get cracked cards over and over again. So this will further help them make more money. You have to leave the card in the holder. A grader just has to flip a coin if it will go up or not.

    "3. If we are going to these "drastic measure's" for .5 grading then why, at the same time can't we get a more secure holder with the card/grade on the top edge like GAI? Might as well get all done at once. I don't want a new holder introduced in 3 years that is more secure. Then you can make more money having everyone pay to get collections in new holders......."

    My Reply: PSA is a company that is in business to make money not as a favor to collectors. Its all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$
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  • ripkenintheminorsripkenintheminors Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭


    << <i>My Reply: PSA is a company that is in business to make money not as a favor to collectors. Its all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$ >>



    Bingo. Anyone who thinks that PSA has the best interest of the hobby in mind should get checked in for an evaluation.
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  • SalinasSalinas Posts: 326 ✭
    True.
    I collect PSA graded 1980-81 Basketball.

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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Many have already said this but it's worth repeating. PSA needs to change the flip going forward.

    It will avoid any potential issues if a card has been resubmitted or reviewed.

    IF they do, I think the new scoring system will be eventually accepted by the hobby.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    tryed same thing in 2004, got shot down because it sucks,thread on psa set registry board from 2004 brought back up last night who they been askin winos and crackheads in frisco,anybody ask you guys?, nobody asked me nothing, people try to tell me thing but that dont work either
    wheres ths poll of 10 peopleimage
  • ripkenintheminorsripkenintheminors Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭
    I'm kinda surprised that nobody from PSA has at the very least made a post that doesn't consist of a link to an official statement. It might help the situation to calm down a little if someone made it a point to communicate about this. Although the message board users probably make up a small % of their business, they still make up a %.
    -Chris

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  • Nascar360Nascar360 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭
    I am not sure if I read it right. Can you get a 9.5 or only .5 grades from 8.5 down? I agree they need to change the color of the flip or do something so you can tell it has been reviewed after PSA.5.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm kinda surprised that nobody from PSA has at the very least made a post that doesn't consist of a link to an official statement. It might help the situation to calm down a little if someone made it a point to communicate about this. Although the message board users probably make up a small % of their business, they still make up a %. >>



    Keep in mind that it's only 8:30 AM over there, so I'm sure some clarification will eventually be posted.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • mbothnermbothner Posts: 762 ✭✭✭
    Will the centering requirements change for a card to go from a PSA 8 to a PSA 8.5? Currently a PSA 8's centering must be approximately 65/35 to 70/30. Do I only consider 60/40 cards or better PSA 8 cards for a regrade? What is the standard?
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  • ripkenintheminorsripkenintheminors Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Keep in mind that it's only 8:30 AM over there, so I'm sure some clarification will eventually be posted. >>



    You make a great point. Considering that I have no clue as to when the initial announcement was posted, I wasn't sure if they might have had the chance to comment yesterday.
    -Chris

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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Keep in mind that it's only 8:30 AM over there, so I'm sure some clarification will eventually be posted. >>



    You make a great point. Considering that I have no clue as to when the initial announcement was posted, I wasn't sure if they might have had the chance to comment yesterday. >>



    It was posted around 7:30 PM CST last night.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • DavemriDavemri Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭
    I'm not going to let this thread die until we get some answers..... Or unless they pull the thread.....image

    Dave

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  • Lothar52Lothar52 Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭
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  • DavemriDavemri Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the bump!!

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  • JasP24JasP24 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭
    Dave, since PSa is obviously ignoring you image, I'll play PSA for a minute and answer your questions.

    1- It would be crazy for PSA to label a reviewed card as reviewed. Who would ever use that service knowing there card would have that moniker attached? It's not going to happen.

    2- I guarantee PSA will have a grading special again, I mean they do it every month..lol..How many $13 and $5 specials did PSA run in 2007? Like 4-5 of each? Be patient and they will offer grading deals to send reviews in.

    3- New slabs would be too expensive. Simple as that.
    Plus, like you said, why would they make all these changes at once when they can charge another $5 reslabbing few down the road if/when they ever make the slabs more tamper proof. It is a for profit business, its about the money plain and simple. That's not a bad thing, EVERY business is about the bottom line.

    Jason
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    according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
  • DavemriDavemri Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭
    Joe, any responses to these questions not yet addressed?

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