libertas restrike from talisman

nard1

is this restrike worth the $120 price? thanks for any advice.

Zoins

<< <i>is this restrike worth the $120 price? thanks for any advice. >>

It's worth that much to some people. How much is it worth to you?

ipmman

The last time the Paris mint made restrikes was 1976.

One sold in the ford sale for $650.00 + 15% Juice.

Here is the link:

1976 Paris Restrike

pf70collector

I thought the ones in 76 were not restrikes but reproductions. They were not to exact dimenision of the original medal. These being offered by the Paris Mint are the official restrikes made to exact size of the original.

Zoins

<< <i>Here is the link: 1976 Paris Restrike >>

That auction description says, emphasis mine:

<< <i>Libertas Americana, 1781. B.615. A copy of the types in silver from reproduction dies struck at the Paris Mint in 1975 for First Coinvestors, Inc. 77.0 mm. Weight irrelevant. Edge inscribed with attribution and serial number 0451. As struck, with its box of issue and a letter of transmittal from Stanley Apfelbaum. >>

So it would seem that the 1975 issue is better classified as a reproduction than a restrike.

And how would you feel if you bought a 1975 reproduction when the Paris Mint comes out and later issues restrikes? The perils of buying medals from the Paris Mint is that they periodically reissue their past medals and have been doing so for over 150 years.

Longacre

They look very nice to me.

ipmman

The word "restrike" has been used loosely for years.

It used to mean struck with ORIGINAL dies, composition or location where struck notwithstanding. (Think of the Baslow Confederate restrikes).

Nowadays, it seems to extend to struck with REPLACEMENT dies of ORIGINAL size/dimensions at the ORIGINAL mint. (Such as the US Mint large Indian Peace medal restrikes for $38.00. The US Mint is not true to the reverse dies of the originals with the restrikes though.). So the location is important.

I hesitate to call anything from the original Mint of production a "reproduction" because so many reproductions, especially of the Libertas Americana, are being made outside the Paris Mint.

Therefore, the definition of restrike has become grey, so knowing, retaining, and documenting the details of who what where when how become more important than nomenclature when determining value.

For $12O.00, you should be fine. Is that for the silver? How much is the Bronze?

I plan on getting a set as well. Thanks for the reminder. How do i contact them? I forgot where I had the info.

CaptHenway

Who is selling them at $120?
Thx
TD

Zoins

I prefer terms like "official reproduction" or reissue. The term restrike is misleading when used for completely different dies, similar to the marketing term First Strike™, and I think it would be better for numismatics to stay away from creating and/or propagating gray areas. There's no real difference between using the term restrike for reproductions and applying the term First Strike™ to items shipped within 30 days of official Mint release dates IMO.

A while back I asked a question ATS about what qualifies as a restrike and the general response I got was that the only issues that should be called restrikes are items struck from original dies, not even die-transfer dies or coin-transfer dies. I'm not sure if this is too strict because many modern coins are made from production dies transfered from master dies.

In any event, I will continue to call items made from completely different dies reproductions, using "official reproduction" or reissue when appropriate.

Zoins

<< <i>Who is selling them at $120? >>

Talisman Coins

CaptHenway

Thank you!

nard1

Talisman emphacize to me the this is the first time that the medal has been struck as the original was. Same weight,diameter, and silver content as the original. They say the mintage of both silver and bronze will be less than 1,000 total. It would seem that if the Ford restrike hammered down at $650 then perhaps this one is a fair price ??

pf70collector

They are nice whatever they are so I bought some.

OPA

<< <i>They are nice whatever they are so I bought some. >>



Likewise...true to my nature; impulse buying. I have no idea what it, other than what is in the description, but I like it...

Coinhog

I ordered a set, does anyone have any idea how long it takes for them to ship from France?

Coinosaurus

<< <i>Talisman emphacize to me the this is the first time that the medal has been struck as the original was. Same weight,diameter, and silver content as the original. They say the mintage of both silver and bronze will be less than 1,000 total. It would seem that if the Ford restrike hammered down at $650 then perhaps this one is a fair price ?? >>



Does that include the die defect on the inner rim at K7 on the original (which progressed through the life of the die)? I'm guessing these are not the exact same dies. Previous Paris Mint restrikes have been worthy reproductions, however.

Zoins

<< <i>Talisman emphacize to me the this is the first time that the medal has been struck as the original was. Same weight,diameter, and silver content as the original. They say the mintage of both silver and bronze will be less than 1,000 total. >>

Does Talisman have that max mintage in writing anywhere?

topstuf

I'd buy if it were an attractive design.



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