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What grade do you think NGC gave this Mexican coin? and an Italian coin

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If you don't like this kind of thread, please ignore it. Got this coin's grade from NGC this morning. I had 4 BBs out of 23 coins. image If you already have inside knowledge of the NGC grade, please refrain from answering.

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,737 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, I guess it would depend on whether they counted weakness of strike at 11 o'clock (thinner planchet at that point, I guess) as a minus, or not.

    However, you already told me the grade - so I'll sit this one out image


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  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    VF35.
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have no idea.

    I would call it... uhh... VF35? Close to EF? Hard to say what's a strike issue and what isn't. For me, anyway.

    I was kinda scared to reply to this post, and was waiting for TwoKopeiki to chime in, actually, but I see he is sworn to silence so I guess I'll be the first to go out on a limb.

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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well, I guess it would depend on whether they counted weakness of strike at 11 o'clock (thinner planchet at that point, I guess) as a minus, or not. >>


    Not a minus in NGC's eyes.

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,737 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ouch, 4 BB's... image Sorry to hear that, Don.


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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I had 4 BBs out of 23 coins. >>

    For some folks, that is a pretty enviable track record! image


    I'd better not laugh, not with four of my coins off at PCGS right now.

    At least the dozen or so I have off at ANACS will get encapsulated, hopefully without any little notations on the labels.

    I once got a bodybag from ANACS, during their net-grade era. That's right- no net grade... a bodybag! For an absotively, posilutely gorgeous, MS66-67 quality gem BU silver piece! (They said it had PVC. Try as I might, I could never detect any on the coin.)

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Haha! I wasn't the first to stick my neck out, after all, and CCU's post before mine vindicates me! image

    Look, ma, no edits!

    (Well, not of my grade guess thread. I edited this one to point out that I didn't edit that one. Heehee.)

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  • dcamp78dcamp78 Posts: 1,082 ✭✭
    VF with XF details.
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  • coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭
    The surfaces look a bit dead to me, but I can't tell if it's the pics or not. I'd say VF25 to XF40, however knowing NGC's inconsistency, it wouldn't surprise me if they put an AU on the piece... I would disagree with that result, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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  • laurentyvanlaurentyvan Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭
    VF to about XF. It doesn't have the details to take it higher IMHO.image
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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let's try this one. I love this coin. Never have seen one before. NGC grade?

    Italy-Lucca 1808 5 Franchi
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  • laurentyvanlaurentyvan Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭
    F-15.
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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,737 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmm, I'll go with VF20 - all major features are still apparent.

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  • laurentyvanlaurentyvan Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭
    For me it's the way the wear on the 2 portraits have blended into one. If there was differentiation I would have been at VF as well. Perhaps it's the image...image

    Ed to add: the sharpness of the lettering around the rim almost made me go VF, I must admit. Is it enough? I'm not saying that the portraits are not attractive, simply not intact and I don't know the series that well...
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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,737 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll look forward to seeing what NGC's opinion of it is image

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,737 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I know that if you send it to SGS - they'll put it in a MS-68 holder!

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    F12 on the Italian piece, with superior eye appeal.

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,658 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I know that if you send it to SGS - they'll put it in a MS-68 holder! >>



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  • coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭
    I would agree with F15 on the Italian piece.
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  • newsmannewsman Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would agree with F15 on the Italian piece. >>



    Same here. And on the Mexican 8R, I'd go with EF40. NGC probably gave the weak strike a pass.
  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mexican coin NGC XF45

    Italian-Luccia coin NGC F12

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  • coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭
    A little high on the Mexican piece, but I don't think either grade is either surprising or egregious...
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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought the Italian - Lucca coin should have been VF. I guess I was a little too generous. I thought the Mexican would be VF at best, but I'm not too familiar on how these were struck. I guess weakness is common.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,443 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll offer my comments on the 8R. EF45 may read and sound forgiving, but if the coin looks better in hand in terms of lustre and what looks to be original surfaces, I am not surprised with a 45. The strikes on these are all over the map (and crown)...

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