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newp for my 1887 set.........

I'm attempting to build a GB 1887 Vicky set; no difficult feat to be sure, but i'm looking for nice original looking coins wherever possible. Picked up this lightly toned specimen on Teletrade last night. Don't know a thing about the 'Cheshire Collection' pedigree, so i figured someone here could fill me in. the hunt for others continues...........image

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thanks!

Doug

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  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,972 ✭✭✭
    I don't know much about the Cheshire collection, other than it seemed to collect mot dates of most denominations, but that shilling you have is the scarcer one with Reverse "A." I believe "scarcer" is a relative term, though, since I have handled a few of them over time.

    What makes it Reverse "A?" There is a feature the Brits call a "shuttlecock" (their term for a Badminton "birdie") that is placed between the 18 and 87 of the date. When this feature points nearly to a bead, you have Reverse "A." When it points between two beads, then you have the very common Reverse "B."

    PS That's a nice example of the date.
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  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    Here is the link to the Goldberg's Cheshire sale.

    I'll revisit with more thoughts later.
  • DoogyDoogy Posts: 4,508


    << <i>I don't know much about the Cheshire collection, other than it seemed to collect mot dates of most denominations, but that shilling you have is the scarcer one with Reverse "A." I believe "scarcer" is a relative term, though, since I have handled a few of them over time.

    What makes it Reverse "A?" There is a feature the Brits call a "shuttlecock" (their term for a Badminton "birdie") that is placed between the 18 and 87 of the date. When this feature points nearly to a bead, you have Reverse "A." When it points between two beads, then you have the very common Reverse "B."

    PS That's a nice example of the date. >>



    thanks Wybrit, i knew i could count on you with great info and die varieties! image while this particular variety may not be all that scarce, it is a bonus to get one that is not run-of-the-mill. thanks for info and the input on this piece!

    Doug
  • DoogyDoogy Posts: 4,508


    << <i>Here is the link to the Goldberg's Cheshire sale.

    I'll revisit with more thoughts later. >>




    terrific! thanks for the link and any more input you may have.


    Doug
  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,737 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coin and fantastic info imageimage
  • Nice coin, I am also trying to complete an 1887 Victoria set. Just the silver at this time, but maybe gold one dayimage. Still looking for a crown with the right look!

    Wybrit - Thanks for the info, it appears I too have a reverse A, have noted it in my records. Thanks also for the Half Crown that I purchased several years ago. It and a pair of 6P from Cosmic were the start of the collection.

    Dan
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  • coinmickeycoinmickey Posts: 767 ✭✭
    I have a coin out of that Cheshire Sale- an 1804 Gilt piece. It's my favorite coin!!!

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  • laurentyvanlaurentyvan Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭
    For years Wybrit's posts have been spot on and informative.

    This post is just another example...image

    Nice coin Doogy, you pull no punches in your purchases.image
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  • HussuloHussulo Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭
    Nice coin and great info from wybrit. Thanks for sharing.
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    Well. it appears the Goldberg's servers (links) to the Cheshire sale are non-functional at the present. Anyway, they do mention that limited auction catalogs are available, so I would definitely recommend obtaining one of these Cheshire catalogs to appreciate the scope of the offerings.

    In total there were some 1500 British milled coins on the block for this sale. They were broken into about 1100-1200 separate lots. As you can at least tell from the Victorian section, the best overall date coverage was to be found there. image

    The Vic gold was by far the most disappointing as few if any of the dates/denoms were choice, and many were sliders. This was also the section with the thinnest date coverage, and no wonder as Brit gold of this era is well nigh impossible to find in truly choice unc. or better condition. The Victorian peoples "used" their coinage, and especially so with gold.

    The quality of the silver and copper/bronze coins were much more consistent, and generally much more choice. All but the rarest dates were generally accounted for in the sale.

    Doogy, the shilling you show came from Lot #2916. This was a multiple lot with one MS66, four MS65s, and three MS64s. All of these coins were consistent in their colour; described as silvery-gold, and some really tending toward a light olive-gold patina. This is a toning range which I've seen on dozens of 1887 silver, and as boz mentioned in another thread probably was the result of the holder/cases du jour in which these were stored.

    Some proofs of this 1887 Jubilee set can also have very vivid red/blue/green although these can be highly variable. They can also be dark, smoky brown and grey also.

    Cheers,

    Mac
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have a coin out of that Cheshire Sale- an 1804 Gilt piece. It's my favorite coin!!!

    image >>



    Yes, those gilt pieces were nice. Was that an 1806, though. Anyway, superb little cameos in that sale.image
  • AuldFartteAuldFartte Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭✭
    I love the color on that shilling !!! image
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