OK, can you grade appropriately through a slab?

laurentyvan

If I send a coin to a TPG for a hopeful upgrade in its current slab, could it be left alone but still appropriately graded?

In other words, coin received in slab, graded, returned as "sorry, our grade will be less than its current grade", and the returned coin is in its original slab.

Or, the coin is returned in the new TPG's slab, graded same or higher.

This way no one loses.

This in no way concerns my unslabbed coins.

koincollect

The TPG loses out in this case if the coin is looks great from the slab but actually is of a lower grade or bb'able. They are liable to make the owner good.

coinpictures

The problem isn't logistical, it's political.

TPGs do not want to upgrade coins in their own holders, nor do they want to cross coins at equivalent grade levels when they view competitors as inferior.

That's the problem with submitting a coin in any holder, whether same TPG or other.

laurentyvan

Taking the last two replies in turn, excuse me if I misunderstand but politics aside:

You send in a coin and ya pays yer bucks. Coin is returned in its original slab with a note: "sorry, we do not feel this coin deserves an upgrade". End of story.

Or, you receive this reply: "we are pleased to return your coin in our (company name) slab", and it can be the same or higher grade.

Is it, therefor, possible to physically and accurately grade a coin without removing it from its original slab to do so?

And where would this lead?

Ed for spl/punc

MacCrimmon

Is it, therefor, possible to physically and accurately grade a coin without removing it from its original slab to do so?



Yes, it is, as long as the slab isn't too scuffed and scratched. Specify a MINIMUM GRADE for a CROSSOVER, and PCGS will decide if it so warrants either a straight cross, or a bump in grade.

I believe JHF sent an entire ultra gem 1903 Phil proof set in NGC holders for crossover and all coins crossed at the same grades.

laurentyvan

Thanks for a nice straight answer Mac.

SYRACUSIAN

Yes, Mac is the champion at crossovers. Apparently, 23 of the 25% of the NGC slabs that cross are his.


On the other hand, coinpictures has a point too. If you feel absolutely confident that the coin deserves an upgrade by a point or two, sometimes it's better to crack it out and resubmit it raw, with all the risks involved.


Either way you pay the fees Laurent.


Also, if the coin is sent to PCGS for crossing and crossing is accepted, either at the minimum grade that you specify (not necessarilly the one in its current slab), or higher, it can also be photographed by Phil.

Stork

<< <i>OK, can you grade appropriately through a slab? >>

Nope, can't grade when it's out of a slab either !

(sorry, couldn't resist)




Cathy

MacCrimmon

<< <i>Yes, Mac is the champion at crossovers. Apparently, 23 of the 25% of the NGC slabs that cross are his.


On the other hand, coinpictures has a point too. If you feel absolutely confident that the coin deserves an upgrade by a point or two, sometimes it's better to crack it out and resubmit it raw, with all the risks involved.


Either way you pay the fees Laurent.


Also, if the coin is sent to PCGS for crossing and crossing is accepted, either at the minimum grade that you specify (not necessarilly the one in its current slab), or higher, it can also be photographed by Phil. >>



Well, Dimitri's numbers aren't quite accurate, but this one did cross from an NGC MS66 slab........I sent it in raw.



Of course, there were two others that didn't make it at the same grade ................................... YET!!!!

I think Ron's trying to arrange for me to get with his Darkside graders and give them a few more grading tips.....at least on my stuff.

SYRACUSIAN

laurentyvan

Mac, is your 1846 PCGS image designed to show its detail as opposed to the way it looks in hand? Pretty pic but, I've never seen a coin look like that... almost like a drawing but without the detailed surface features; or is it really that pale in the background?

By the by, I really like it.

laurentyvan

Nope, can't grade when it's out of a slab either

Stork, that's why I love ya...

MacCrimmon

<< <i>Mac, is your 1846 PCGS image designed to show its detail as opposed to the way it looks in hand? Pretty pic but, I've never seen a coin look like that... almost like a drawing but without the detailed surface features; or is it really that pale in the background?

By the by, I really like it. >>



Laurent, this coin is extremely troublesome to image. The TrueView attempted to bring out the colour, but the actual coin is somewhat deeper in colour. However, the lustre is absolutely blinding, even with the toning holding back the cartwheel. It's what I term a "race track".

This was a coin which was love at first sight when I viewed it....had to have it, I did. Problem was, so did 3-4 other bidders including some of those pesky phone bidders. Let's just say I'm glad it found its way into the present slab. I'll be reimaging it in the next few months as time allows.