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St. George and the Dragon - Recut Reverse Dies for 2007

trozautrozau Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭
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Interesting read from Lawrence Chard's website on the recut St George and the dragon dies for 2007 sovereigns ===> Clickable Link

Personally, I think they messed up. See the before and after below:

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and the BU

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  • spinaker2000spinaker2000 Posts: 4,329 ✭
    I guess you could use it as a wax seal on envelopes. image I agree, not pretty.
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  • HussuloHussulo Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭
    I agree, look at St George's face. A lot of detail is lost.
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    And are those tumors growing on the noble steeds legs?
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  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Interesting read from Lawrence Chard's website on the recut St George and the dragon dies for 2007 sovereigns ===> Clickable Link

    Personally, I think they messed up. See the before and after below:

    imageimage

    and the BU

    image >>




    Pistrucci just rolled over.......this is hideous.image
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Freakin' Garbage.image
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  • spinaker2000spinaker2000 Posts: 4,329 ✭
    See, this is exactly why my ancestors moved to the New World!! image
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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,455 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>See, this is exactly why my ancestors moved to the New World!! >>


    But which side?

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  • spinaker2000spinaker2000 Posts: 4,329 ✭
    the right side. image
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  • HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭
    ugh.
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  • WritersblockWritersblock Posts: 1,196 ✭


    << <i>Pistrucci just rolled over. >>


    If it were me, forget rolling, I'd be digging my way up out of the ground to go throttle someone. From the link: "The Mint has confirmed (8/1/2007) that an original die, handmade by the Pistrucci has been reworked and new master tools created."

    They took one of his original dies and reworked it into THIS MONSTROSITY???

    "Using a combination of hand engraving skills and digital technology, detail lost over the decades was painstakingly restored."

    I think they got the wrong final word. I think "removed" was the term they were looking for.
  • laurentyvanlaurentyvan Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭
    I agree... not pretty! Reminds me a lot of what the US did with the first of the new Presidential dollar series; Washington never looked worse and ditto with the current St. George and the Dragon.

    Hmmmm... lets take it a step further: almost anything of significance in today's world seems to have been dumbed (and cheapened) down; pick your field (exceptions obviously exist) and it seems to be almost global.

    As to coin engraving, I could believe that our current world crop of youthful engravers don't want to repeat the past but would rather articulate their skills in their own new artistic style. However, simplistically reducing engraving detail and generally (almost loosely) then copying the style of the original only results in trozau's excellent portrayal of today's fecal coin matter. image

    Therefor I ask the question: which country today is producing the most coins (for general circulation) of quality engraving and beauty?


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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,577 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Quite similar to the gold eagle rework of the St. Gaudens' 20, where the newer version modified is somewhat more attractive and a "redo" of his efforts would be a shame.
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  • MadameMadame Posts: 236
    Before was way better.
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's so bad it makes me wonder if they will redo the dies and create a "type 2". If they do, "type 1" could become a rarity.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,443 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why is it that some believe it is possible to improve a design such as the traditional one?

    Is this a coca-cola trick to force folks to beg to bring back the original?

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  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭
    There was a time when the Royal Mint could be counted on to produce the best designed coins in the world, that time is well past!image
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,443 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While one can argue about taste and artistic merit, the sad reality is that the new design is clearly a giant step backward.

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  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭


    << <i>While one can argue about taste and artistic merit, the sad reality is that the new design is clearly a giant step backward. >>



    They have taken a great work of art and turned it into a silly, cartoonish, pile of crap with .2354 ounces of gold in it!
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,443 ✭✭✭✭✭
    agreed

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  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,972 ✭✭✭
    Absolute rubbish.

    St. George looks like he's ready to vomit.

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  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    St. George looks like he's ready to vomit.

    image >>



    As well he should be!
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  • drjulesdrjules Posts: 1,683
    I read about this recutting of the dies. Firstly I have to say that if anyone has taken a tool to an original handmade Pistrucci that is a crime but has anyone seen one of these in hand? The images on the Royal Mint website look quite different to Chards

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  • trozautrozau Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I read about this recutting of the dies. Firstly I have to say that if anyone has taken a tool to an original handmade Pistrucci that is a crime but has anyone seen one of these in hand? The images on the Royal Mint website look quite different to Chards

    image

    Dr J >>


    I am sure Chard's photography detracts from the actual coin appearance but both of the ones shown are his photographs and he is the first to say that for some reason the new coins are a bear to photograph. Even the one from the BRM website that you linked has an elven look to St George. Don't you agree?
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