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Hussulo · January 4, 2007 1:44AM

Hi,
I bought this on eBay I think it could be a die trial but I am not sure if it's for a coin or medal.
It is maybe austrian, It is uniface the legend reads "otp. &. carn. dux. com. rittb. s. c. m. cons. intaur. velleris eques", the reverse is blank.
It is 45 mm and made from possibly tin or may be lead.
Can anyone help me please?

laurentyvan · January 4, 2007 1:54AM

Hey, I can't help you with this piece but If I came across it and had to make a decision, it's a coin/medal I'd go with (as long as the price was rational) -nice!

Edited to add: at 45mm, it's almost certainly a commem. or medal.

theboz11 · January 4, 2007 2:02AM

I have a couple of pieces in my lions medals that have the same aura about them, old and tin/lead and struck on one side. I believe it is a first strike/trial dating in the 1700's if it is like mine.

here is one that I located the medal that it was struck for

And this one I am still looking for the medal match

Hussulo · January 4, 2007 2:42AM

Great pieces. I would love to find the corresponding medal or coin for mine.

DCH · January 4, 2007 8:28AM

Same legend/coat of arms as 18th century Liechtenstein coinage.

Scioto · January 4, 2007 8:36AM

<< <i>tin or may be lead >>

Might it be a seal, similar to a wax seal on a document, but for securing a box or chest?

Just a guess.

Hussulo · January 5, 2007 12:50AM

It does appear to be the same design as Liechtenstein coinage below is a picture of an 1900 coin reverse. I can't find any pictures of coins dating to the 17th century though.

Sapyx · January 5, 2007 8:43AM

The size and design seem to me to be the Liechtenstein 1 thaler coin of 1778 (KM/C #6, Davenport #1580). You can make out the 1778 date at the end of the legend, just next to the crown.

The coins themselves are valuable enough - VF $375, EF $900. Options here are it's a genuine "lead pull" of the reverse die, or it's some kind of forger/counterfeiter testing his die out. Either way, it sounds like you might have something very odd and interesting there.

Hussulo · January 5, 2007 8:48AM

Liechtenstein Thaler issued in 1778.

http://www.omnicoin.com/coin_view_enlarge.aspx?id=919130

I think you are right. Many thanks Sapyx.

Sapyx · January 5, 2007 8:56AM

Here they all are from the CoinArchives auction archive - over a dozen of 'em.

Hussulo · January 5, 2007 11:53PM

Thats great thanks. You can make out the 1778 on mine. If I sent this in to NGC would they grade and slab it?

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