What would be a good label instead of "First Strike"......................
BigE
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........should TPG's choose to continue the program under a different name?
Choice Strike?
Choice Strike?
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Chicolini: Mint? No, no, I no like a mint. Uh - what other flavor you got?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>How about "Big Mistake", or "How greedy are we, anyway?". >>
"FIR$T $TRIKE"
In my opinion the entire First Strike thing is a waste of time and money.....
No difference to me.....
"First blindly submitted" or "Submitted sight unseen"
<< <i>How about "US Mint Early Release". Nah, that would never work. You can't call them what they really are. Never mind.
I agree--maybe "First thirty days"--but then again any designation is actually meaningless from a numismatic point of view--but wait, I forgot we are talking about bullion. But it really doesn't affect me as I don't buy them or sell them--just hope they don't start this with proof sets and Commemorative Dollars.
"I was dumb enough to pay $10 for this little flag!" label??
<< <i>How about..........
"I was dumb enough to pay $10 for this little flag!" label?? >>
"I was dumb enough to pay $10 for this little flag!" label?? >>
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My BankNoteBank Collection
Tom, formerly in Albuquerque, NM.
"First Hyped"
"You'll Believe Anything"
"Sat in a warehouse and happened to be shipped within the first thirty days" (need small font for that)
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
"I'm with dummy"??
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I personally think that's enough.
How about "Coin Grading Company Casino-Style Coin Roulette?"
overcome as they learn more about coins but they'll have to unlearn this first.
The TPG's could just start selecting early die state coins from whenever they are struck
or shipped and labeling these "First Strikes". It would be less confusing and no one would
likely have a problem with them giving their professional opinion on the die state of any
coin. It would certainly be a huge plus for education and might be rewarding for collectors
who have been seeking early die state coins. EDS would be the ideal terminology (Early
Die State) so "First Strike" can be reserved for very early die state.
<< <i>The term "First Strike" has muddied up the understanding for many newbies. It will be
overcome as they learn more about coins but they'll have to unlearn this first.
The TPG's could just start selecting early die state coins from whenever they are struck
or shipped and labeling these "First Strikes". It would be less confusing and no one would
likely have a problem with them giving their professional opinion on the die state of any
coin. It would certainly be a huge plus for education and might be rewarding for collectors
who have been seeking early die state coins. EDS would be the ideal terminology (Early
Die State) so "First Strike" can be reserved for very early die state. >>
How will any TPG know which coins these are if dies are changed often as the mint claims?
<< <i>First Hump!! >>
Hey Stman, you're infringing on my trademarked Double Hump™
<< <i> How will any TPG know which coins these are if dies are changed often as the mint claims? >>
I haven't looked at a lot of the eagles but die wear can be seen pretty early even on silver coins.
<< <i>I will say it one more time... unless the USMint selects & certifies coins culled from the process, to specific criteria, there is NO WAY any TPG will determine early die state or any other 'stipulated' value enhancing condition. There are many contributing factors, (all of which, they endeavor to control during the process), die, pressure, planchet - all contribute to the 'apparent' condition of the resulting product. As in any process, there are operational variances, as anyone who understands manufacturing and statistical process control can tell you... as I am trying to tell you. Once it leaves the process, no one - and I mean NO ONE - can authoritatively state the coin was a first or early strike. Cheers, RickO >>
It depends on the dies.
There is a roughness to many of them that is quickly worn off. Those exhibiting this roughness would necessarily be early strikes.
There is also the simple fact that the mint would never change out a die that shows no die wear so those showing such wear are necessarily later strikes.
It fits on several levels. It says that they are early coins but doesn't really say exactly when. It fits with the first thirty days idea. And can be confused with First Issued which would mean almost the same as a true first strike, but it doesn't actually say that.
There is a roughness to many of them that is quickly worn off. Those exhibiting this roughness would necessarily be early strikes.
There is also the simple fact that the mint would never change out a die that shows no die wear so those showing such wear are necessarily later strikes. "
Again, this depends on a non-factual and uncertifiable 'opinion'. Unless it is done at striking, it is not 'certified'. Cheers, RickO
<< <i>Why bother...Just grade the damn thing...............
Face it, if the label requires one to send the "unopened" U.S. Mint package containing the so called First Strike coins, then it is obvious that the grading "professionals" can not discern a First Strike from a later strike (But they allegedly can grade an MS69 from an MS70)
If TPGs want to regain some credibility in the face of this debacle, I think Conder101 had a great suggestion: Market the coins as "First Issue". It resolves the obvious image problem associated with 'First Strike' when considering that the only way to be considered such is to be 'first packaged' and 'first shipped' by the Mint. And "First Issue" has enough market appeal and ambiguity so as to be truly misleading to the collecting public, yet be potentially very successful for the beleaguered TPGs at the same time!
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PCGS just needs to put additional numbers on coins, like 0000001, 0000002, 00000003, etc... then there'll be no more fussing. You might have the first grade or the last grade, but you will have a grade .
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