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Speaking of ebay schilling... is this guy(75boilermaker88) a schill?

bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
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Certainly looks suspicious here
and here?

Or is it just coincidental? that a guy with a feedback of a whopping 3 is bidding on the same coins I am bidding on??
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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭


    << <i>Certainly looks suspicious here
    and here?

    Or is it just coincidental? that a guy with a feedback of a whopping 3 is bidding on the same coins I am bidding on?? >>




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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    Am I confused or are lots of forum members confused? To me, the object of shill bidding isn't to win the auctions but to drive them up and end up an underbidder. I see lots of posts accusing winning bidders of being a shill. Just what is the logic of a shill bidder winning? Thanks, Jerry

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Certainly looks suspicious here
    and here? >>



    Those are the same auction.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Am I confused or are lots of forum members confused? To me, the object of shill bidding isn't to win the auctions but to drive them up and end up an underbidder. I see lots of posts accusing winning bidders of being a shill. Just what is the logic of a shill bidder winning? Thanks, Jerry >>

    Well, the thing is, shills might cancel their bids just before the auction ends if they are still the high bidder. Either that or they are the "winner" but don't buy the coin and they relist it, looking for another sucker.
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,512 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Am I confused or are lots of forum members confused? To me, the object of shill bidding isn't to win the auctions but to drive them up and end up an underbidder. I see lots of posts accusing winning bidders of being a shill. Just what is the logic of a shill bidder winning? Thanks, Jerry >>



    the only logic behind a shill winning is to prevent an item for selling at too low of a price. The seller/shill eats the ebay fees and figures out how to sell at the right price next time.
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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    I don't see anthing that would indicate that he is a shill. He has won three items from three different sellers, and he has paid for them and received feedback.
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I see lots of posts accusing winning bidders of being a shill. >>



    Just because the bidder wins does not mean they aren't a shill. Shills frequently win since they have no way of knowing what the maximum is that the other bidders are willing to go.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Am I confused or are lots of forum members confused? To me, the object of shill bidding isn't to win the auctions but to drive them up and end up an underbidder. I see lots of posts accusing winning bidders of being a shill. Just what is the logic of a shill bidder winning? Thanks, Jerry >>

    Well, the thing is, shills might cancel their bids just before the auction ends if they are still the high bidder. Either that or they are the "winner" but don't buy the coin and they relist it, looking for another sucker. >>



    That...and the quote "beware of second chance offers" comes into play as well.
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  • BigDaddyzBigDaddyz Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
    Check this link and you might decide he is a shill. I've reported him to ebay.
    Bidding history

    only 3 feedbacks but bids on TONS of this guys auctions.
    Great BST experiences: abitofthisabitofthat, silvercoinsdude, gerard, coinfame, mikescoins, wondercoin
  • jgrinzjgrinz Posts: 985 ✭✭✭
    Shill - no doubt
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  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
    Thank you BigdaddyZ!

    I thought something was fishy but figured I'd leave the Detective work to one of you slueths, as I'm on a dial-up.
    "Wars are really ugly! They're dirty
    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
    Mary






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  • BigDaddyzBigDaddyz Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
    newalbanycoins

    and

    75boilermaker88

    =

    NARU'd

    LOL, another one bites it
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  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
    ROCK ON!!image
    "Wars are really ugly! They're dirty
    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
    Mary






    Best Franklin Website
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Damn, that was fast! It'd be nice if eBay always took action this quick - particularly on all the Chinese counterfeit crap.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Am I confused or are lots of forum members confused? To me, the object of shill bidding isn't to win the auctions but to drive them up and end up an underbidder. I see lots of posts accusing winning bidders of being a shill. Just what is the logic of a shill bidder winning? Thanks, Jerry >>



    The wrong side again. Who knew.

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  • sonoranmonsoonsonoranmonsoon Posts: 2,078 ✭✭
    Shill bidding is an interesting way for a seller to avoid paying EBAY a reserve fee. If the item sells to the shill, the final added fee can be returned by ebay by saying the buyer returned the item for full refund. This of course is totally unethical. It reminds me of those people who use to start a listing out at a penny, but had a $100 shipping charge. This was another way sellers would try to get around the reserve fee. Ebay finally shut that technique down.
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Am I confused or are lots of forum members confused? To me, the object of shill bidding isn't to win the auctions but to drive them up and end up an underbidder. I see lots of posts accusing winning bidders of being a shill. Just what is the logic of a shill bidder winning? Thanks, Jerry >>

    The wrong side again. Who knew. >>



    You seem to have a person issue with my posts. I don't have a problem with that. Other, more useful posters, gave good responses to my question. The second chance offer being the best one.

    Thanks,
    Jerry
  • 53BKid53BKid Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭
    BlindedByEgo:

    The wrong side again. Who knew. >>



    Just curious, what your meaning is here? Thanks-
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  • BigDaddyzBigDaddyz Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭
    sonoranmonsoon:
    that's what got this guy busted...his shill would win, then he (original seller) would relist the item using ebay's relist function. Kind of obvious.
    All the auctions that the shill won say "item was relisted"
    Great BST experiences: abitofthisabitofthat, silvercoinsdude, gerard, coinfame, mikescoins, wondercoin

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