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Do you own a "heartbreaker" coin?

Here's mine, I've shown it here before. A sentimental favorite I finally submitted to PCGS, and it came back AU58.
It's a heartbreaker, because it's outstanding in every way--ripping good strike for the 15-D, clean surfaces, eye appeal, the whole deal--but was ruled to have the sort of wear that precludes it from being MS. Now it's a lame duck, a coin that haunts me as much as it gives me pleasure...a reminder that my grading isn't all that sharp...a coin I paid too much for...and one that doesn't fit with my genuine BU examples. But also one that is so pretty, you hate to get rid of it.
Got one like it?
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    It has sentimental value, though, and it has a nice home in my Dansco. image

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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,759 ✭✭✭✭
    Guy,

    If it haunts you, sell it. SELL IT!

    Then again, you could resubmit it and you might get a 62.

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  • This Peace dollar is my "Heartbreaker" coin because the toning is very nice and rare on a Peace dollar,
    but the damage on the coin from being an ex jewelry piece is the heartbreaker...

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  • gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Guy,

    If it haunts you, sell it. SELL IT!

    Then again, you could resubmit it and you might get a 62. >>



    Somehow, that doesn't make me feel one bit better. My heart is broken, that's all there is to it.image
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,759 ✭✭✭✭
    Hey, out of site, out of mind. image

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  • gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Hey, out of site, out of mind. image >>



    In for a penny, in for a pound.
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  • By the slimmest of margins it may be AU but it's still a very attractive looking nickel in my book. image













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  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,305 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Three, an 1898-O, 1897-S, and 1896-O Barber halves in MS (Harry Laibstain is offering an MS64 for $19,500). Coins have fantastic luster, are worth a lot of money in MS, but they have just the slightest hairlines on limited parts of the obversse that are barely visible, but enough to garner "cleaned" from PCGS.

    Well, I got them for AU prices, so I am not too upset.

    Tyler
  • Love it for what it is not what some stranger says it is. It's a beautiful coin.
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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Love it for what it is not what some stranger says it is. It's a beautiful coin. >>



    The coin didn't change when it got slabbed.
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just because PCGS assigns an AU58 grade does not in any way ensure the coin is not Mint State. While the odds are against you since PCGS is > 50% accurate (lol), they often equate weak strikes with wear, discoloration with wear, and marks with wear.

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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    To me, the grade a TPG assigns a coin does not make it a "heartbreaker." The coin is what it is, and doesn't change regardless of whether PCGS or anyone else calls it a 58 or a 64. If it's a beautiful coin with a 64 label, it's just as beautiful with a 58 label.

    What makes a coin a "heartbreaker" to me is a coin which would otherwise be an amazingly appealing coin, but with one significant problem. Or maybe a very scarce/rare date which has been holed or intentionally scratched or some such.

    As far as paying too much for it, the nicest PCGS AU-58 coins on the market often sell for MS-62 prices anyway. (Sometimes I think the TPGs flip a coin when deciding whether to call a coin 58 or 62.) Valuing this coin at the "price sheet" AU-58 value is probably a mistake. I'll buy AU-58s like this for AU-58 money all day long and twice on Sunday. I buy certified AU-58s for my type set, and I can tell you from a lot of first-hand experiences, the best ones sell for well into MS money.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 2,012 ✭✭✭
    I am recent convert to the AU-58 grade. As a lover of coin design, I too collect in Mint State grades only because I personally felt that any wear present had to be synonomous with the absence of design. However, I have since come to realize that this is a narrow view of things.

    For example, lately I have been into looking at Three Dollar Gold coins - most 61s I look at may be lusterous but are often very softly and ambiguously struck, whereas many 58s I see have full details but some rub among the high points - so the question becomes which conveys the design better?

    My first AU58 purchase since 'seeing the light' was a lovely Pan Pac $1G. The coin has NO marks - just a slight, barely perceptable dullness to the dolphins. Prior to purchasing this piece, every 63 I looked at had major tics or abrasions along the highpoints for 50% to 75 % more money.

    The more I have thought about the matter, the more I have come to believe this: if an otherwise MS65 coin has hits or slide marks everywhere it is called MS61, but if those hits or slide marks are ONLY on its high points of an MS65, the coin goes AU58.

    As far as I am concerned, there is nothing wrong with including well chosen coins that bear the AU58 grade in MS set. In fact, I am absolutely convinced that one day the TPGs will rethink how they designate coins in the 58 to 62 range; and that when that happens, a lot of people who bought the coin and not the AU58 plastic will come out a ahead.

    If you liked the coin before you had it holdered, there really is no reason not to like it now. In fact, it sounds to me like you just don't like the holder.
  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Love it for what it is not what some stranger says it is. It's a beautiful coin. >>



    The coin didn't change when it got slabbed. >>



    image with you both.

    Not sure I own a heartbreaker coin.
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  • mcheathmcheath Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭
    eye appeal outweighs the technical grade just about every time in my book
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's mine, I like it.image


    Hoard the keys.
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    Just because PCGS assigns an AU58 grade does not in any way ensure the coin is not Mint State. While the odds are against you since PCGS is > 50% accurate (lol), they often equate weak strikes with wear, discoloration with wear, and marks with wear.

    roadrunner
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    ziggy29
    Master Collector

    To me, the grade a TPG assigns a coin does not make it a "heartbreaker." The coin is what it is, and doesn't change regardless of whether PCGS or anyone else calls it a 58 or a 64. If it's a beautiful coin with a 64 label, it's just as beautiful with a 58 label.

    What makes a coin a "heartbreaker" to me is a coin which would otherwise be an amazingly appealing coin, but with one significant problem. Or maybe a very scarce/rare date which has been holed or intentionally scratched or some such.

    As far as paying too much for it, the nicest PCGS AU-58 coins on the market often sell for MS-62 prices anyway. (Sometimes I think the TPGs flip a coin when deciding whether to call a coin 58 or 62.) Valuing this coin at the "price sheet" AU-58 value is probably a mistake. I'll buy AU-58s like this for AU-58 money all day long and twice on Sunday. I buy certified AU-58s for my type set, and I can tell you from a lot of first-hand experiences, the best ones sell for well into MS money.






    Artist
    Collector

    I am recent convert to the AU-58 grade. As a lover of coin design, I too collect in Mint State grades only because I personally felt that any wear present had to be synonomous with the absence of design. However, I have since come to realize that this is a narrow view of things.

    For example, lately I have been into looking at Three Dollar Gold coins - most 61s I look at may be lusterous but are often very softly and ambiguously struck, whereas many 58s I see have full details but some rub among the high points - so the question becomes which conveys the design better?

    My first AU58 purchase since 'seeing the light' was a lovely Pan Pac $1G. The coin has NO marks - just a slight, barely perceptable dullness to the dolphins. Prior to purchasing this piece, every 63 I looked at had major tics or abrasions along the highpoints for 50% to 75 % more money.

    The more I have thought about the matter, the more I have come to believe this: if an otherwise MS65 coin has hits or slide marks everywhere it is called MS61, but if those hits or slide marks are ONLY on its high points of an MS65, the coin goes AU58.

    As far as I am concerned, there is nothing wrong with including well chosen coins that bear the AU58 grade in MS set. In fact, I am absolutely convinced that one day the TPGs will rethink how they designate coins in the 58 to 62 range; and that when that happens, a lot of people who bought the coin and not the AU58 plastic will come out a ahead.

    If you liked the coin before you had it holdered, there really is no reason not to like it now. In fact, it sounds to me like you just don't like the holder.




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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is AND isn't.

    If there weren't an old (toned in) scratch on the neck, the coin would be a 65. But, if it were a 65, I never would have been able to afford it, and as such a beautiful and original coin, I'm really glad to have been given the opportunity to purchase it. I normally don't like any "damage," but this coin was too original to pass up, and the scratch not distracting when all is said and done.

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  • gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
    Sorry guys, but I am not as idealistic as many of you. I got the coin knowing I would enjoy it while I had it, but also viewing as an asset that I would one day liquidate--to upgrade to a better coin, dissolve for my son's college education, whatever. So when the value of the coin is diminished by the holder (and an opinion that carries more weight than mine), I don't smile and say "the value is all relative" or "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." That's just me. I do, however, understand and appreciate those points of view.
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  • 66Tbird66Tbird Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭
    It's a 14D $10 bought in a NGC 62 holder. I sent it in for cross over and it came back with a new scratch in a 2 holder. Learned a lot that day. Still takes a good eye to find it and it still is a nice coin, just not the money maker I spotted as an under graded piece.
    Need something designed and 3D printed?
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's my heartbreaker

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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,568 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I hate carbon spots....

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  • richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    I bought this piece as a young man about 35 years ago. Spent many hot arizona days cutting grass, trimming bushes and saving up my money. It is still a special coin for me; although now when I look at it I just don't feel the same. I sent it in to PCGS and it came back BB'd for cleaning image.

    I should have never sent it in because it has now soured my view of a coin that I used to love. Maybe dorkkarl is right afterall.

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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    It's unfortunate that plastic makes or breaks our appreciation for a coin- as for the 1915-D buffalo, my guess is that when it comes time to sell, it will bring strong money for a au58....
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  • gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I bought this piece as a young man about 35 years ago. Spent many hot arizona days cutting grass, trimming bushes and saving up my money. It is still a special coin for me; although now when I look at it I just don't feel the same. I sent it in to PCGS and it came back BB'd for cleaning image.

    I should have never sent it in because it has now soured my view of a coin that I used to love. Maybe dorkkarl is right afterall.

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    Thanks for sharing. A classic case of what I'm talking about.
    It's still a beautiful coin, though. image
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  • zennyzenny Posts: 1,549


    << <i>It's a heartbreaker, because it's outstanding in every way----but was ruled to have the sort of wear that precludes it from being MS. >>




    I'm guessing you agree with the "ruling."

    You're taking this mighty hard, (could this be smoe lingering anguish over the recent Ryder Cup pounding)?

    Unless you paid 5 or more money for this little beauty, (in which case it would be a tad more than just a "heart" breaker), you might consider just appreciating it her for what she is - "outstanding in every way," that "is so pretty" and gives you "pleasure."

    Heck, most people aren't able to say that about people they marry within a year....

    As has been mentioned above, the gods in the dark room often miss little things here and there, and there is the chance that if the coin was resubmitted the wear would magically disappear, along with the letters "au" from the new slab.

    There's also the chance that this experience will cause you to look that much more carefully at the next little beauty that smacks you upside the head,

    and just imagine the freedom you might feel if you noticed a teensy, tiny little bitty bit of wear

    and went ahead and bought that one too!
  • lkrarecoinslkrarecoins Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭
    I have a beautiful 1794 Large Cent in Good condition.....it has a hole in it image
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  • saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,724 ✭✭✭
    I had a Traci Lords coin. Then they said she was 16. I had to use it in the porn-arcade. image
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