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Great article by member RWB in the new Coin Values about the 1895 Morgan

krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
The man knows how to research! A very well-written article, backed up with tons of information taken from government archives. And what was, to me, a surprise conclusion - he believes there were circulation strikes of the 1895 Morgan, primarily based on Assay Commission records which show they were provided both circulation and proof examples, as well as records that show that both types of dies were prepared.

Great article!

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    anablepanablep Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, if there were business strike '95 Morgans, where are they?

    Are they the "impared proof" specimens we see today? I though those were prepared with proof dies making them "proof" with a different number of edge reeding than a true business strike.
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    IGWTIGWT Posts: 4,975
    I was going to post about this article tonight, but you beat me to it. image Read and enjoyed it thoroughly.image
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    Someone should post a link to this article--it's certainly of interest to 100's of Morganites! Has anyone really gone through the Smithsonian (National) Collection looking at any 1895's they have---supposedly all Philadelphia mint issues went into the Philly collection, and then to the Smithsonian.
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    krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I was going to post about this article tonight, but you beat me to it. image >>



    Haha, just the opposite of the other day! image

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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
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    A mintage of 12,000 would be 12 bags, correct? If they were minted, then I would bet they were victims of the 1918 Pittman Act melt. It really is a miracle that all of those Carson City Morgans survived.
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    DaveGDaveG Posts: 3,535
    Because no one has ever seen a business strike 1895 Morgan, the common wisdom is that they were never minted. (There was an article to this effect in Coin World a couple of years ago - the author cited various mint records to prove his point, as I recall.

    Interestingly enough, I was at a coin club meeting last week where one of the members told me that he knew a guy who had a business strike 1895 Morgan that, supposedly, Breen had confirmed. I gather that the owner was saving it to fund his retirement. (Personally, I'll believe it when I see it.)

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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Gentlemen,
    Thank you for the kind words. I didn't know when the article was going to appear, so haven't seen it yet.

    Re: morgannut2's comment. The coins struck by the Philadelphia Mint (and the other mints) had to be purchased by the Philadelphia Mint Coin Cabinet Curator (Robert McClure) at face value. The Curator had $500 a year to spend on coins for the collection, so there were times when he didn't buy the current year's issues due to lack of funds. The Philadelphia Mint collection was transferred to the Smithsonian in 1923 (see Coin World’s article from a few months back - quite good!) and combined with coins the SI already had. I have seen no 1895 circulation dollars in the SI-NNC, but could have missed something, too. The NNC collection is huge!

    Re: DaveG's comment. There are many anecdotes about circulation strike 1895 dollars being shown to individuals or offered for sale, but no one has ever carried through with an independent review and certification of them. No specimen has appeared in a well-documented modern auction, either. The Assay Commission leftovers could have been put in circulation or bought by commission members, but after that guess, anything might have happened.

    I'll just add that my conclusion is based on the preponderance of evidence, there being only one original annotation suggesting the leftover blanks were struck as 1894 dollars. The Assay Commission and mint officers would have had to commit a massive fraud, then cover it up, and there is nothing to suggest there was anything to hide. The 1895 dollars were reported as struck, probably tossed in a vault, locked up and then crushed in the rush to fulfill the British silver agreement.

    After folks have taken a look at the whole article, let me know if you have questions. There is additional info that is not in the article – mostly repetition of source materials.

    That’s enough yakking out of me for now!
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    DaveGDaveG Posts: 3,535
    This is a great article!

    What I found very persuasive was the cashier's daily balance sheet that showed that 12,000 silver dollars were received from the coiner on June 28. I really don't think that that was a "phantom" bookkeeping entry!

    I found it very interesting that, according to Charles Barber's annual report of dies provided to the coiner at the Philadelphia Mint, only proof dies were available (five obverse and four reverse). In his Silver Dollar Encyclopedia, Bowers says that there are four obverse dies accounted for by existing proof coins, but, I think, only one reverse die. (Clearly, the discovery of an 1895 dollar that used a previously unknown die would be compelling.)

    Does anyone know if there's any evidence that indicates where the silver dollars that were melted in the Pittman Act were being stored? Or, where the meltings occurred?

    If most, or all, of the meltings occurred in Philadelphia, that would certainly increase the odds that all (or almost all) of the 1895 silver dollars were melted.

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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    Got that in the mail today and read it all. Nice piece. In addition to his conclusion, he also supplied the case for the common claim that the 1895 business strikes were dated 1894, but shows where that argument gets weak. And it's certainly true that in 1918, not many people would have went out of their way to save 12 bags of Philadelphia dollars because they had "1895" on the bag.

    Anyway, my two strongest possibilities about the 12,000 reported business strikes were that either (a) they were dated 1894 or (b) they were dated 1895 and all melted, probably by the Pittman Act, and this gives more reason for me to believe one of those two explanations is likely correct. The only other possibility, as far as I can tell, is that the Mint fudged the records.

    The curious thing, if they were dated 1895, is that Mint records show that no business strike dies were used in minting 1895 dollars. That would seem to indicate no business strike dollars were dated 1895...unless the business strikes were produced with Proof dies, maybe? image
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    DaveGDaveG Posts: 3,535
    Presumably there was no demand for silver dollars at the Philadelphia Mint in 1895, since RWB quotes:

    1) a letter to Mint Superintendent Kretz from Coiner William Morgan asking what should be be done with the almost 13,000 silver dollar blanks; and,

    2) a letter to Kretz from Mint Director Preston directing the silver dollar blanks be coined into dollars.

    Why would the Coiner ask what to do with blanks (and why would the Superintendent have to ask the Director what to do with the blanks) unless there hadn't been any demand (or intention to strike) silver dollars in Philadelphia in 1895?

    If there hadn't been any intention to coin silver dollars in Philadelphia, there wouldn't have been any need for business strike dies, so when the directive was issued to strike the coins, then the Coiner would have used the dies on hand: the proof dies.

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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RWB's work is just masterful. Having dug around in my share of archives, I am amazed not only at his tenacity but also his ability to synthesize information from many different sources & to square it all with conventional wisdom (which turns out to be wrong in many cases).
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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    Some additonal info on the Pittman Act:

    The 1918 Pittman Act (sponsored by Sen. Key Pittman of Nevada) was intended to benefit the war effort by providing silver to England’s empire in India. The metal was then used to back the Indian rupee and counter German propaganda about the British-backed currency being worthless. Approx. 350 million silver dollars were taken from Treasury vaults and melted. The situation was so urgent that in the first shipment, the dollar coins were simply folded into little squares and dumped in metal hoppers for transfer direct to India. No inventory is known of the coins melted. They likely included all of the 12,000 1895 dollars struck for circulation.

    The same law required that coins be replaced one-for-one with silver bought from American mines at $1 per troy oz. The act also included the cost of minting the replacement coins and the cost of alloy plus 1.5-cents profit to the USA. The mint carried the 1921 Morgan dollars and Peace dollars on its books as “Pittman dollars” or “Pittman silver” for many years. Raymond T. Baker, mint director in 1921, was a former assistant to Sen. Pittman, and had written the 1918 legislation.

    There is a very good summary – with a lot more information than above – in “Renaissance of American Coinage 1916-1921” in Part II on the Peace dollar. The ANA has copies available for loan to members.
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    PhillyJoePhillyJoe Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭✭
    No doubt Morgans were made in 1895.

    According to The Annual Report to the Director of the Mint there were 12,470 minted through June 30 and 90 additional "standard silver dollars" from July to November 1, 1895.

    I always thought that there was a restriction to the government buying silver during that time and was limited to producing dollars with silver on-hand or silver taken out of circulation, thus the low production.
    I have more checking to do.

    Congrats to RWB on what must be a great read.


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    Good Luck finding them !
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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Good Luck finding them ! >>

    Especially if all 12,000 were melted. That would leave some assay pieces as the only possible survivors.

    Since we know of no business strikes, I wonder if it's possible that at least one of the business strike assay pieces may have been saved, entered circulation and assumed to be an "impaired proof?"
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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082
    For those who are interested, I think there is an off-print available from Amos Press. They also sell back issues of Coin Values.
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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
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    LeianaLeiana Posts: 4,349
    Great thread. image

    I hope I get my (dad's) issue of Coin Values soon!

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