CURRENT PCGS POPS ON WISCONSIN EXTRA LEAF ERRORS
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PCGS POPS AS OF 2/14/2005
2004-D WI 25C WI Extra Leaf Low
MS63-8
MS64-283
MS65-107
MS66-4
TOTAL-402
2004-D WI 25C WI Extra Leaf High
MS63-8
MS64-181
MS65-91
MS66-7
TOTAL-287
2004-D WI 25C WI Extra Leaf Low
MS63-8
MS64-283
MS65-107
MS66-4
TOTAL-402
2004-D WI 25C WI Extra Leaf High
MS63-8
MS64-181
MS65-91
MS66-7
TOTAL-287
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<< <i>Unless you have the NGC and ANACS pops too, this is pretty meaningless. >>
It's meaningful to a lot of people on this forum. I was asked to post these numbers by another forum member when I saw a big change. To call them meaningless is just silly.
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Interesting numbers. I've been wondering how it looks at this early stage of the game. Thanks for the post
KJ
<< <i>get in early and get out. >>
Perhaps if you are trying to flip them for profit.
If you collect then hopefully you got in early.
I don't know if it is fair to compare the pops. on this variety with others.
When 3 legged buffalos and 55 doubled dies came out third party grading
and e-bay were unheard of. A variety coming out now I think will have a
much higher percentage graded just for the attribution and liquidity.
<< <i>Thanks for the numbers! >>
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These coins are so new, they are the ONLY coins in the pop report with accurate numbers! If big price differentials develop between 65-66-(67-68), give it a few months and they'll be as corrupted as the rest of the pops.
<< <i>Unless you have the NGC and ANACS pops too, this is pretty meaningless. >>
Depends on the question. If the question was "What are the current PCGS pops for Wisconsin extra leaf errors?", then the post answers the question fully and precisely.
Hint: the question was inferred from the thread title.
Besides, what information would the NGC and ANACS pop numbers add? It still wouldn't account for the many thousands that exist out there unslabbed. If you're trying to glean a total population, the addition of two more services' numbers would be equally meaningless.
<< <i>I am fairly new to this, so could you explain why these numbers indicate to you that coin will be worth "pennies on the dollar"?? >>
Terrapin Will,
The reason I feel this way is that these coins were discovered barely a month ago and already there are significant numbers slabbed by the grading services. The coins are out there, in big numbers, maybe higher than the 1995 doubled die Lincoln. The dealers are rushing to get them slabbed AND SOLD NOW! I guess State quarter collectors will need them for their collections, but if they are patient and wait a year or two, I am sure they can then get them at a very small fraction of the price they would have to pay today. Me, I don't have to worry. I am collecting the proof clad version ONLY. I have 30 now and in March I will have 35. Beautiful coins AND I get my brand new 2005 Lincoln cent DCAM absolutely FREE when I buy the clad proof set from the US Mint each year. I don't even have to pay the $75 they want now for the 2004 set cause I got mine at issue price last year.
Steve
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Slabbed sets have made their way onto ebay, Rick has a $1599 bidder on an NGC67 set. I've been looking for trends, but things seem to change daily, except that very few sets or singles with a BIN make it to the end.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Plus, I do not understand why nearly every thread involving this coin has to turn into some type of slam! Whether it is an error or a variety is unimportant, that fact remains that its a coin that some people have a lot of interest in. So what? Let the man report the numbers like he was asked. After all, not all of us have access to the current pop reports and some people just want to know!
There, I feel better. I think!
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Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
For every seller of a stock that thinks it will go down there is a buyer that thinks it will go up.
<< <i>These coins are so new, they are the ONLY coins in the pop report with accurate numbers! >>
Russ, NCNE
PCGS POPS AS OF 2/14/2005
2004-D WI 25C WI Extra Leaf Low
MS63-8
MS64-283
MS65-107
MS66-4
TOTAL-402
2004-D WI 25C WI Extra Leaf High
MS63-8
MS64-181
MS65-91
MS66-7
TOTAL-287
I've posted a revised estimated population of almost 10X these numbers. These will end up with populations close to the 1982 No P dime, not the 1955 DD cent. I think the collector "Value" (which is the eventual price for average BU coins) will be $500 per coin. A bit higher than the 1982 No P because its a State Quarter.
There will be wide price fluctuations. Prices seemed a bit lower today than Friday on ebay. The demand has not tapered off, but supplies are getting despersed. Many people who bought my sets put them right away on ebay and made a killing! The supply is getting wider so there will be glut of them on ebay. As soon as this glut is dispersed prices will rise again.
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<< <i>
I've posted a revised estimated population of almost 10X these numbers. These will end up with populations close to the 1982 No P dime, not the 1955 DD cent. I think the collector "Value" (which is the eventual price for average BU coins) will be $500 per coin. A bit higher than the 1982 No P because its a State Quarter.
There will be wide price fluctuations. Prices seemed a bit lower today than Friday on ebay. The demand has not tapered off, but supplies are getting despersed. Many people who bought my sets put them right away on ebay and made a killing! The supply is getting wider so there will be glut of them on ebay. As soon as this glut is dispersed prices will rise again. >>
Rick Snow,
I have a great respect for you and your knowledge and experience with Indian cents and other numismatic items. Your comments about the Wisconsin quarter varieties seem to suggest that some dealers and others have in fact "cornered the market" on these coins, submitted all of them to the major grading services, and are now waiting for all of them to be graded and then sold to collectors. Am I correct in my assumptions?
It is hard for me to understand how all these coins have suddenly been discovered, are quickly getting slabbed, and as you say will have populations comparable to the 1982 no p dime. Has it already been determined the extent that these coins have been distributed thru the federal system? I do believe that over 100 million of the Wisconsin quarters were made. Am I wrong? At this stage, how do we know approximately how many of the varieties there are and more particularly, how can we estimate how many of these varieties will get slabbed?
I'd appreciate any clarification you can make on this. Thanks,
Steve
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3613 (This does not include crack outs).
PCGS/NGC pops for the 1982 No P dime in all grades are:
1702
Wisonsin Leaf total pops in all grades/ all varieties for PCGS and not NGC because these are not published yet are:
689
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14,221
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Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
PCGS/NGC pops for the 55 DD combined in all grades are:
3613 (This does not include crack outs).
PCGS/NGC pops for the 1982 No P dime in all grades are:
1702
Combined Pops on the 1995 DD in all grades for both NGC and PCGS is:
14,221
Combined PCGS/NGC Pops on the 1922 NO D Strong Reverse:
2355
Combined PCGs/NGC Pops on the 1937 D 3 legged Buff:
6297
Wisonsin Leaf total pops in all grades/ all varieties for PCGS and not NGC because these are not published yet are:
689
TBIG
That seems like a ton of them - why are people selling them for $1,000
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<< <i>That seems like a ton of them - why are people selling them for $1,000 >>
Let's see, 3-leg Buffs 6297, extra leafs 689. So, you mean it seems like almost 10 tons of 3-leg buffs. Why are people selling them for thousands of dollars?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>I think the numbers are inflated by breakouts and resubmits. >>
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However, there appears to be good demand from already established coin collectors.
Perhaps someone who follows errors can answer this: Over decades, is it true that the majority of errors really don't appreciate much in price? As an investment, unless one gets them early and cheap, errors are not generally a good investment?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>I just got the info from Dansco that I requested about their product line. Haven't opened it, but when I do I think I will call or email them to see what they are thinking about a slot for something obscure that will be listed in Redbook, has pcgs and ngc numbers, and surely will be in cherrypickers 4th ed 2nd vol due out in 2025. >>
You mean like a place for the 1995 DD Cent that has been out for almost 10 years. Would be nice to have a place for it, but nothing so far.
Bottom line. If you want one for your collection now, go ahead and overspend if it makes you happy. If you are buying one for a long term investment, I believe you will find this coin is a big time loser. JMHO. Steve
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Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
This is kind of off topic...but I was curious to hear why you are only collecting the CLAD proof SQ's and not the SILVER proof SQ's? I just finished obtaining both clad and silvers in PR69DCAM....and it's amazing how far down in the registry I am (I think I'm tied for 23rd or something like that). Getting into the 70DCAMS is the only way to move up now...and I don't ever see myself going down that road. I am collecting this set PURELY because I like the variety of the quarters....and I especially enjoy the unique flag slabs for each state.
Like you, Lincolns are the favorite for me. I would love to see a change up in the next few years. Keep the obverse...but maybe change the reverse......
I have a great respect for you and your knowledge and experience with Indian cents and other numismatic items. Your comments about the Wisconsin quarter varieties seem to suggest that some dealers and others have in fact "cornered the market" on these coins, submitted all of them to the major grading services, and are now waiting for all of them to be graded and then sold to collectors. Am I correct in my assumptions?
It is hard for me to understand how all these coins have suddenly been discovered, are quickly getting slabbed, and as you say will have populations comparable to the 1982 no p dime. Has it already been determined the extent that these coins have been distributed thru the federal system? I do believe that over 100 million of the Wisconsin quarters were made. Am I wrong? At this stage, how do we know approximately how many of the varieties there are and more particularly, how can we estimate how many of these varieties will get slabbed?
Steve, first you have to recognize that since FUN I have been asking everyone who calls, every dealer and anyone with any knowledge about these "How many did you get?" I think I have uniquely the best idea of how many are out there. It's always a guess, but an educated one. Any number thrown out there by people in Michigan, California, or where ever are just shooting wind.
If you look at this on a coin per die basis, it stands to reason that there were more 1982 No p dimes struck than WI quarters just based on average die life. Not every 1982 No p dime is certified, and not every WI quarter will be certified. Denver struck 225 Million WI Quarters, btw. Most of the PCGS pieces submitted are from my submissions and the two other Tucson dealers. I'm out. I have no more coming in, no more at either NGC or PCGS. The other dealers are selling out and have only small submissions still in.
I had what I called a set of "Wow rolls" These were very flashy. Most graded MS-64 and MS-65. Not one MS-66. I sold my PCGS MS66's for under $700 each. Those should be $1,500 coins now based on my lack of additional pieces. Forget about getting a MS67. I think a MS-67 PCGS would fetch $2,500 - $5,000 if one got graded.
Wisonsin Leaf total pops in all grades/ all varieties for PCGS and not NGC because these are not published yet are:
689
TBIG
Please break them down into seperate varieties. They are not one variety.
287 high leaf
WI Extra Leaf Low
MS63-8
MS64-284
MS65-109
MS6-65
MS67-1
Total Low 407
WI Extra Leaf High
MS63-8
MS64-181
MS65-91
MS66-7
Total High 287
Grand Total = 694