Do you think my 1864 L has retoned enough?

wallstreetman · August 31, 2003 6:45AM

It got BB the last time for cleaning. Surprizing what a little egg soaked envelope wil do in a short period of time, the coin was pink!

BigE · August 31, 2003 6:49AM

I think it needs a little more time----------BigE

jdimmick · August 31, 2003 6:53AM

I agree with Big E, it will still BB

wallstreetman · August 31, 2003 6:55AM

Heres the Reverse!

291fifth · August 31, 2003 6:58AM

Looks too light. Save your money for awhile.

DMWJR · August 31, 2003 7:04AM

How long have you had it in the egg-velope?

wallstreetman · August 31, 2003 7:26AM

I would say about 4 months!

Bear · August 31, 2003 7:46AM

Maybe next time you should poach it.

darktone · August 31, 2003 7:47AM

I think you got a shot at a grade of 60-63 by one of the big three as cleaned stuff in lower ms grades is pretty common. mike

cherrypickincoin · August 31, 2003 7:49AM

How do you do this? Take an envelope and put an egg in it with the coin? lol..just curious, never done it. Leave it in there for a couple more months.

Bear · August 31, 2003 7:50AM

Wouldnt the egg be bad for the coins cholesterol?

wallstreetman · August 31, 2003 7:56AM

I wish it was MS, just a clean AU, except for some spots!

wallstreetman · August 31, 2003 7:59AM

Also a slight rim nick!

darktone · August 31, 2003 8:01AM

It's an Au- then I think you got even a better chance at getting it slabbed. mike

wallstreetman · August 31, 2003 8:46AM

I just soaked a yellow envelope in egg and let it dry before inserting the coin.

wallstreetman · August 31, 2003 8:50AM

Where do I get that Sulphur in a bottle? Someone had a picture of some a long time ago!

Keyrock · August 31, 2003 8:55AM

Interesting,

The albumin in eggs complexes with the copper ions. That is why chefs swear by copper pots/pans for egg dishes. It causes the eggs to stay firmer for a longer period of time.

Maybe the egg complexes with the copper and other agents used to clean the coin effectivly removing the residual cleaner and creating a uniform surface, hence a uniform/oxidized surface.

Rich

I'll have to play with some circulated wheats with some verdigri and see how they look (would it then be cleaning or conserving???)

Keyrock · August 31, 2003 8:57AM

You should be able to get sulphur from a hobby store (basic chemistry kit) or ebay

Coulport · August 31, 2003 8:58AM

Some pharmacies carry sulphur.
You can also look up chemical supply in the yellow pages.

Oh yea, the coin needs to be darker.

BigE · August 31, 2003 10:01AM

Try an ostrich egg first, it might be a little more powerful-----------BigE

291fifth · August 31, 2003 10:07AM

You may want to try a 19th century method. Put the coin in a small pouch made of cloth. Attach the cloth pouch to the inside of your clothing in an area where sweat builds up. Wear the clothing for awhile while you are active and sweating. Depending on your chemical makeup the coin may tone very rapidly.

This does work. I tried it some years ago with some cleaned civil war tokens. Excellent results in less than one day.

wallstreetman · August 31, 2003 10:10AM

Oh no, here comes Evil!

wallstreetman · August 31, 2003 10:58AM

Looks pretty unanimous so far. Maybe Ill have to hold off. I was going to submit at Long Beach.

wallstreetman · August 31, 2003 11:00AM

What about the chemicals from the spray you use to get rid of the smell? Wait, rotten eggs dont smell to good either!

wallstreetman · September 12, 2003 11:06AM

Boy, what a difference a stronger solution makes! This is after two days

Is it dark enough to submit at Long Beach?

wallstreetman · September 12, 2003 11:15AM

wallstreetman · September 12, 2003 11:23AM

I dont know why the pics are smaller! I dont have time right now to enlarge.

originalisbest · September 12, 2003 11:39AM

I'm thinking that piece is going to be bb'd for a long time to come no matter how dark you can get it. Copper's never really going to come back to an "uncleaned" looking state once the deed's been done.

wallstreetman · September 12, 2003 12:55PM

If it was copper, I would bb it too!

EVillageProwler · September 12, 2003 1:11PM

Try an ostrich egg first, it might be a little more powerful-----------BigE

I won't touch this one. Nope. Gotta restrain myself. Sit on my hands.

Love the irony though!

EVP

EVillageProwler · September 12, 2003 1:20PM

BTW, WSM, have you tried using Kool-Aid to doctor up your coin so it's slabbable by your grading service of choice? I hear Kool-Aid has done miracles in so many other ways!

LOL!

EVP

Newmismatist · September 12, 2003 1:48PM

BB for sure!

For a possible cure, try this: 2 parts HCL + 1 part HNO3 (That's hydrocloric acid & nitric acid mixed) you could dilute it a bit if you want. Then after soaking your doctored coin for a few minutes (don't leave it too long - it might not be there when you get back) rinse it thoroughly - then bury it in your back yard (remember to mark the spot) - water it for about a week - when you dig it up it will either be nice & brown - or maybe green - the end result will probably still be a BB - BUT - you will have had a LOT of fun with that ugly duckling -

Sulpher turns copper coins yellow then black - not recommended for high grade IHCs - but a good way to ruin an otherwise collectible coin

wallstreetman · September 13, 2003 12:14AM

Hello, anybody home? The coin is made of bronze!

EVillageProwler · September 13, 2003 3:54AM

Hello, anybody home? The coin is made of bronze!

Hello, anybody home? Do you really think that the bronze vs copper issue matters for the ostrich egg and Kool-Aid methods?

EVP

toothpuller · September 13, 2003 6:49AM

Wallstreetman, a bronze IHC in 1864 was made with 95% copper and 5% tin and zinc.

IrishMike · September 13, 2003 6:56AM

So let me be sure I understand this, you want to take a cleaned coin and subject it to some process which will trick the graders into slabbing it for you? Sounds like an attempt at commiting fraud to me. You know what WSM, the truth will be known on judgement day. Can you spell hypocrite?

jdimmick · September 13, 2003 6:56AM

Still is going to BB, save your money!!!!!

EVillageProwler · September 13, 2003 7:35AM

IM,

To which service do you think WSM would try to submit that POS coin?

EVP

wallstreetman · September 13, 2003 12:06PM

Who else would I submit it to, wouldnt be a challenge to get NGC to slab it!

toothpuller, so Bronze is 95% Copper?

wallstreetman · September 13, 2003 12:27PM

IrishMike, just speeding up the process, Im not putting anything directly on the coin, its a product of its enviornment!

wallstreetman · September 14, 2003 10:24AM

wallstreetman · September 14, 2003 10:44AM

Baley · September 14, 2003 10:46AM

looks like a nice EF coin.

wallstreetman · September 14, 2003 10:55AM

Im hoping for high AU! I think it looks dark enough now.

Baley · September 14, 2003 10:58AM

AU? Naw, man, cleaned and recolored has to down it to choice EF at best. Good luck!

wallstreetman · September 14, 2003 11:00AM

I love the L, you can see it a mile away!

wallstreetman · September 14, 2003 11:05AM

Your probably right! I should just be happy if it gets slabbed! The coin has tons of luster for the cleaning it took, used to look like it was made of Gold!

EVillageProwler · September 14, 2003 11:09AM

Do you realize that you're asking the membership to root for you while you try to get a problem coin slabbed? What would you do with the coin once it gets slabbed? And, will you disclose such detail when you try to sell it?

EVP

wallstreetman · September 14, 2003 11:13AM

Thats the point Im making! What does it matter what it used to be?

EVillageProwler · September 14, 2003 11:15AM

Huh?!? You use words very sparingly. It would be easier for me to understand you if you exercised greater prolixity.

EVP

wallstreetman · September 14, 2003 11:21AM

Im willing to bet the coin looks better than the butt ugly black one it probably use to be! Why did the previous owner clean it?

Some people say a lot in a few words, some say nothing in many words!

Do you think my 1864 L has retoned enough?

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