If I clean a coin, then retone it, then get it graded by PCGS does that make me a coin doctor/bad gu
SethChandler
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Really? Honestly?
I went into a local coin store and purchased a Carson City dime for twenty bucks. The thing was almost black, not too attractive. The only thing going for it was it hardly had any wear at all. After a few months I whipped it out and thought.......I'd rather clean/scrub this dime and have a nice bright cleaned AU that a dark toned blob. I think alot of people would agree, right? So I go underneath my sink and wholla! Good old Arm & Hammer backing soda. Scrub, scrub, scrub. I gotta tell ya it hurt doing it. But guess what, the coin DOES look better. A few months later, as I'm looking through my coins.....whoa what was that, let me put on my sunglasses.....Its my CC dime. I'm thinking let me tone down this bad boy a bit. I take the coin out of the flip(non-pvc)and proceed to rub, yes rub, it with my fingertips. Now the coin has a somewhat greyish look to it, mind you it still is and looks CLEANED but alot better than when I first purchased it. All it needs is color, so I put it in one of those old fashioned yellow 2 x 2 paper envelopes and placed it in front of my window.
Now the fun begins........six months later, I'm getting together a group of coins to send to PCGS, every last one of them, the oddballs that I didn't have the guts to submit before. You know what I'm talking about, everyone has 'em, correct? I'm looking everywhere, the safe, under the bed, bankvault, closets, my kids crib, that old barrel I fiiled up and buried in the backyard......then I remembered the window. What's it look like, you ask? Not bad. Little golden, little pink, little red. So I throw it in the box to PCGS. Hey, if some guy can send a Lincoln penny made this year to PCGS, then I surely can submit my 100 plus year old CC dime. The penny guy's downside is a PR69DCAM, mine is a bodybag and twenty bucks. Fair enough?
The box comes back from PCGS, and I'm going through my coins. Everyone here agrees with me that its one of the best feelings in the world, a fresh box back! So I have the usual feelings that everyone has, some good, some bad......my 1883 Proof Twenty they didn't DCAM only a CAM.....I thought for sure my 1796 Quarter was a lock 65, I guess I'll settle for a 64. And would you belive they misattributed my 1804 Dollar, they called it a Class III, its a Class II stupid! Then I get to my dime.......it made it.......AU50. I gotta tell you, I felt funny. Did I deceive and trick the best? Am I a .........coin doctor?
Then I thought there should be degrees of coin doctoring, you know, like murder.
First Degree When you spend alot of time and effort cleaning, altering, toning with an advanced knowledge of chemicals WITH and intent to get the coin graded AND resell in the open market as quickly as possible
Second Degree Same as above without selling the coin.....eventually you may sell the coin
Third Degree The CC dime store....yes I still own the coin?
What does everyone think?
I went into a local coin store and purchased a Carson City dime for twenty bucks. The thing was almost black, not too attractive. The only thing going for it was it hardly had any wear at all. After a few months I whipped it out and thought.......I'd rather clean/scrub this dime and have a nice bright cleaned AU that a dark toned blob. I think alot of people would agree, right? So I go underneath my sink and wholla! Good old Arm & Hammer backing soda. Scrub, scrub, scrub. I gotta tell ya it hurt doing it. But guess what, the coin DOES look better. A few months later, as I'm looking through my coins.....whoa what was that, let me put on my sunglasses.....Its my CC dime. I'm thinking let me tone down this bad boy a bit. I take the coin out of the flip(non-pvc)and proceed to rub, yes rub, it with my fingertips. Now the coin has a somewhat greyish look to it, mind you it still is and looks CLEANED but alot better than when I first purchased it. All it needs is color, so I put it in one of those old fashioned yellow 2 x 2 paper envelopes and placed it in front of my window.
Now the fun begins........six months later, I'm getting together a group of coins to send to PCGS, every last one of them, the oddballs that I didn't have the guts to submit before. You know what I'm talking about, everyone has 'em, correct? I'm looking everywhere, the safe, under the bed, bankvault, closets, my kids crib, that old barrel I fiiled up and buried in the backyard......then I remembered the window. What's it look like, you ask? Not bad. Little golden, little pink, little red. So I throw it in the box to PCGS. Hey, if some guy can send a Lincoln penny made this year to PCGS, then I surely can submit my 100 plus year old CC dime. The penny guy's downside is a PR69DCAM, mine is a bodybag and twenty bucks. Fair enough?
The box comes back from PCGS, and I'm going through my coins. Everyone here agrees with me that its one of the best feelings in the world, a fresh box back! So I have the usual feelings that everyone has, some good, some bad......my 1883 Proof Twenty they didn't DCAM only a CAM.....I thought for sure my 1796 Quarter was a lock 65, I guess I'll settle for a 64. And would you belive they misattributed my 1804 Dollar, they called it a Class III, its a Class II stupid! Then I get to my dime.......it made it.......AU50. I gotta tell you, I felt funny. Did I deceive and trick the best? Am I a .........coin doctor?
Then I thought there should be degrees of coin doctoring, you know, like murder.
First Degree When you spend alot of time and effort cleaning, altering, toning with an advanced knowledge of chemicals WITH and intent to get the coin graded AND resell in the open market as quickly as possible
Second Degree Same as above without selling the coin.....eventually you may sell the coin
Third Degree The CC dime store....yes I still own the coin?
What does everyone think?
Collecting since 1976.
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<< <i>What does everyone think? >>
Your lying about the other coins in your box. That was my first thought.
Cameron Kiefer
It all depends on how you sell it. Until then, you're just a smart collector, in my book.
PS...After posting this, it would be HIGHLY ADVISED that you get an eBay ID that no one will recognize. Otherwise, they're going to trash the hell out of you and try to disrupt your sale.
"France said this week they need more evidence to convince them Saddam is a threat. Yeah, last time France asked for more evidence it came rollin thru Paris with a German Flag on it." -Dave Letterman
notice of its handling, YES!!!!
You want to become a doctor, go to medical school.
Camelot
A believable story until you blew it with the Baking Soda part.
Thanks for the info about Ebay..but I rarely sell coins, I've had the CC dime for years. Before anyone gets any ideas, and to make clear who I am... I'm a collector, NOT someone who is actively buying and selling coins for profit.
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<< <i>Everyone here agrees with me that its one of the best feelings in the world >>
No..the best feeling in the world is taking a sledgehammer to the slab.
A 1796 Quarter in 64 eh? Surrrrrre you do... lol
jom
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
i think you did that dime and it's future owners a valuable service,
and deserve a fair profit for your effort, judgement, and prudence, as well as the risk you took.
and I think you'll do them (future owners) more of a service the more of the story you tell them about your coin's background when they're contemplating purchasing it from you.
after it leaves you, whenever that is, it starts "fresh" and it just is what it is.
in the end the coin must speak for itself.
if the story is made up to prove a point and/or generate discussion, well, same answer.
And if you dare MAKE UP a story to go with your coin, trying to pass it off as something it's not, in order to profit unfairly, and when called on it in the face of clear evidence to the contrary, come on here and make up even more stories, then , yes, THAT would make you unethical.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
You fool!! everybody knows that 1804 dollars have to be cleaned to slab!!
Morron!! Moroon!! moron whatever the heck you are
Take some more heat!!
<< <i> If you like the way the coin looks, then buy it. >>
Totally agree....even with all the FIRE!
jom
Michael
So I take out the MS-70, give it a once over, and the thing came out even worse than before. Talk about unnatural color. Now I'm saying to myself, oh man, I should have left it alone, now it's 110% ruined. I fugure that I'll send it in anyway, I need a filler for the submission. Lo and behold, the ruined piece of garbage slug upgraded to a MS-61! Very scary.
Yes I sold it on ebay with a general comment on the altered surfaces. Still got a strong price and glowing feedback from a happy buyer. Scary again.
Disclaimer: Names of the certification companies involved omitted to avoid embarassment and shame.
jom
You wanna some heat too?
If you want me to believe you, I need to see a "good" picture of the coin in the slab. I have known a few coin doctors in my day. And yes,
they do get their work slabbed on occasion. Proper cleaning is not like coin repair.
Rusty
<< <i>Am I a .........coin doctor? >>
Yes. Now here, tie this blindfold on while the firing squad gets ready. Would you prefer dum-dum or high-explosive?
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