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A New Coin -- A New Area of Interest

I would like to share with you all my excitment in a new coin I have purchased and the new area of collecting it takes me to.

The coin is a 1903 Proof 50 Centavo graded NGC 64. This is a different coin for me on two levels: (1) It is a proof, and I have always collected business strikes, and (2) It is not strictly an American coin. Or is it? These coins were minted in the US, say United States of America on the reverse, and are more and more gaining acceptance as being issues of the United States.

Here are some reasons these coins have quickly captured my imagination. The design is classic and beautiful. The mintages on the proofs are miniscule. The survival rates are low, and they are hard to find in eye appealing condition. AND (and this is very important to the budget minded) they are affordable. Here is a picture of the coin:

Fifty Centavo NGC Proof 64

In person the toning shows more blue and red, and the Eagle on the reverse absolutely glows. Mintage for the coin was a little over 2000.

This coin comes from our own Jon Rosenthal (Tonelover) he has an excellent website devoted to them with a much better overview of the history of the series than I can give. Also, I'm a newbie. Jon, pointed it out to me that the collector base is small for these coins (as of yet) and that they are semi-illiquid. But, I actually find that kind of a plus.

At any rate, I am excited about finding these coins and wanted to share that with you, my friends, on the forum.
Brevity is the soul of wit. --William Shakespeare

Comments

  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    Beautiful example of a beautiful design Clank, thanks for the look. Interesting contrast of images --- the fragile looking woman in the wind blown sheer dress hammering the cold hard anvil, with the volcano in the background.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Nice coin... I love that design. If you don't mind, what did it set you back???
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Very nice! I've got a 1 peso Phillipino coin from (I'm thinking) 1908 (have to check). I like the design. Yours has nice color.


  • << <i>Interesting contrast of images --- the fragile looking woman in the wind blown sheer dress hammering the cold hard anvil, with the volcano in the background. >>



    Shylock-- that is a great observation. I was immediately drawn to the design of this coin. The interesting thing about collecting a proof for me, is that the design details are so much clearer and more delicate than I see them on photos of the business strikes. I hear that the business strikes often come with flat strikes. That would be a shame for such a nice design. But, isn't that the fun of the hunt and collecting?

    Marty-- Set me back? It set me back to 1903, one hundered years to be exact. It was not expensive, Marty.

    Clankeye
    Brevity is the soul of wit. --William Shakespeare
  • Hard series to collect, as you rarely see these problem-free, it seems. But the coin was struck under the auspices of the US government, so it is more of a Grey Side coin than a Dark Side coin, and the commem issues of 1936 were exchangable for US dollars, so an argument could be made that they are more Light than not.
    Keith ™

  • epruyneepruyne Posts: 154 ✭✭

    >>

    Marty-- Set me back? It set me back to 1903, one hundered years to be exact. It was not expensive, Marty. >>



    No price tag...can't afford it

  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    Clankeye -- it's too bad interesting US designs like this only show up on patterns. I like Keith's Greyside tag, and think US patterns almost fall into the same category. Like your coin the designs of patterns are usually more intriguing than the regular issues, their mintage is small, they're still relatively affordable, and were struck in prooflike detail. You made a great purchase in my opinion.
  • Thanks for the good words, Paul. To me this coin underlines a point that I tried to make in a thread a few weeks back-- that collectors can find beautiful, interesting and significant coins without having to spend four or five figures. They are out there. If you can afford those coins, believe me, I am all for it. But, there are a lot of avenues to building a meaningful collection of coins. The idea that all the good coins are too expensive now just isn't true, IMO.

    Clankeye
    Brevity is the soul of wit. --William Shakespeare
  • Carl, great post and thanks for the plug image Really glad that you are enjoying that coin. The more I look at the scan and I look at it a lot, the more I regret telling you about it. Nicely toned USPI proofs are among my favorite coins from any series, pieces like that have beauty, history, and value all wrapped up in to a very nice little package.

    Jon
  • jomjom Posts: 3,458 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is it a pop 1? lol

    jom
  • I've always had this underlying interest in coins minted in the US for foreign countries. The 1944 Belgium 2 Franc minted on steel cent planchets is a fascinating one. Any others of note?
    I have icon envy.


  • << <i>Is it a pop 1? lol >>



    Jom-- in my collection, yes.

    Shocker-- that is an interesting question that I hope maybe some other more experienced collectors than myself might jump in and answer.

    Jon-- needless to say I am very pleased you decided to let this one go. I think your interest in these coins is misguided, and you should always offer them to me. image PS: Don't let Shiro have any. He has enough.

    Clankeye (wow, I just misspelled my name "Crabjet" Maybe I should change it?)
    Brevity is the soul of wit. --William Shakespeare
  • Jom, since I know you live and die by the population reports, combined NGC/PCGS Pop. is a respectable 23/42 with a total mintage for the 1903 Proofs of 2,558 pieces. Try to compare a 1903 Proof Barber Half with a quarter the mintage yet a combined Pop which is 400% greater and that Barber will still run you four times the price.

    Ok, there may be four times as many collectors for the Barbers, maybe not, but overall this is why I strongly believe there's good value within the series. As Carl said, the survival rate of these pieces in very low. There are plenty of Dark Side proofs with far lower mintages and even lower prices so mintage and pops aren't everything but their unique ties to our US numismatic history lends the potential for a much wider appeal. And they're darn pretty too. image
  • jomjom Posts: 3,458 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i> combined NGC/PCGS Pop. is a respectable 23/42 with a total mintage for the 1903 Proofs of 2,558 pieces. >>



    Sooooo....just like I thought....you are a Registry Slave! Admit it! image

    jom
  • Jon's website (since he is too shy to mention it) is www.philippinecoins.com. I want to post that for anyone who might be interested, because he gives a much better introduction to these coins than I can. That's were you can get an idea of the history and the why's and wherefore's about the coins.

    I orginally purchased a 50 Centavo 1947-S Philippines MacArthur coin at a coin show a couple of weeks ago. I knew nothing about it. I bought it because it was attractive. I posted a picture here and on the Darkside forum and people directed me to Jon's site. That's where my interest deepened, reading more about the American/Phippines issues, and also talking with Shiroh on the forum, who collects them.

    Clankeye
    Brevity is the soul of wit. --William Shakespeare
  • shirohniichanshirohniichan Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭
    This looks like a great thread on which to shamelessly promote my Philippine Type Set Unregistry. image
    image
    Obscurum per obscurius
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Great coin Carl.

    P.S. You'll have to find another term for these. Grey side is already reserved for Canadian coins.
    Bill

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    09/07/2006
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Look what you made me do:

    image
    Bill

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    09/07/2006
  • Alright Bill, where'd you get it? image

    Carl
    Brevity is the soul of wit. --William Shakespeare
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Carl I found it at the same place you got yours. image

    ANACS MS-61

    Very attractive uncirculated specimen. White and extremely lustrous, with just traces of golden toning near the rims. Well preserved with just very light scuffing but no large or detracting marks.
    Bill

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    09/07/2006
  • cascadecascade Posts: 151 ✭✭
    I want one :-)

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