This one might sell for a "bit" over "bid"!

coinguy1

I firmly believe that the term "monster color" is all-too-often overused and abused (sort of like some of our fellow forum members ). But, I viewed this coin in person a few days ago and can unhesitatingly vouch for its "monster color". I wonder if it can be bought for "bid"?

Slightly pretty NGC MS66 Antietam

AbesNeighbor

Looks like the doctor used a little cranberry juice on her!

LanLord

Wow, wish mine looked like that. What kind of potato makes that color?

MadMonk

Ah yes, a verifiable GODZILLA!
Thanks for sharing!

nwcs

Shoor is purty!

dorkkarl

antietam was 1 of the most bloody battles of the civil war, wasn't it?

K S

Clankeye

Dork--
Yes, it was. Antietam's are one of those low mintage commems that are actually almost easier to find in high grade (66--up) than a nice 64.
Having said that, a coin like this one is always going to be hard to come across, and I would bet their estimate ceiling of $1500 gets pulverized.

Clankbeard

tjkillian

On September 17, 1862 outside the town of Sharpsburg, on the Antietam creek, in Maryland, the bloodiest single day in U.S. history occured. Over 22,000 AMERICANS were killed or wounded. Put it another way, 1/10 of 1% of the entire population died or wounded. If it occured today with the same percentage, 300,000 AMERICANS would die or get wounded! Nobody studies history any more. Ask any high school student was was the bloodiest day in U.S. history, and I would wager a Antietam Half Dollar they would not know.

Tom

CarlWohlforth

Super nice coin!

The Civil War sure was bloody.

Clankeye

I said to a friend of mine a few months ago when Ken Burn's Civil War documentary was being shown "I was watching the Civil War last night..."
He turned to me and said "Oh, has that flared up again?"

I thought it was funny.

I also have a friend who is a hard-core Civil War reenactor. You think numismatics gets intense? These guys are wacked. He's got some bit parts in the new movie Gods and Generals.

Sorry, Mark. Nice coin by the way.

Carl

Android

Wow Mark, You gonna bid it up?

Andy

banknote1

It was the War Between the States!! Some of us have never surrendered!!!

Pushkin

tjkillian

That war is known by both names "War for Southern Independence" and "The war of Northern Aggression". It is politically correct to use either one.

Tom

AbesNeighbor

At least we've found a little better way of fighting wars / keeping our troops alive....Both sides during the Civil war fought, for the most part using the old English style. That is, stand toe to toe and shoot at each other. The group that has the most standing at the end or that doesn't retreat wins.

There are no "Humane" wars .. and hopefully wev'e learned a lot from the one in my era. Lose 50 - 100 men to take a "strategic position" then vacate that position the next week. Don't even like to think about it.

Clankeye

Abes--

True, and part of the reason it was so bloody is that the tools of warfare had advanced beyond the sophistication of the way battles were fought. You had old school soldiering vs. new school weaponry. Bloody mess.

Thanks for the Civil War thread, Mark. Been way overdue.

Carl

banknote1

Those 58 cal. minnie balls made big holes when they hit something! I find it amazing that men would stand and shoot each other like they did. It is a wonder that anyone survived that horrible war!!

wayneherndon

Yes, just seeing the picture of it in the catalog made me gasp.

WH

baccaruda

i love when the toning actually works with the design of the coin. it just makes it that much better.

RotatedRainbows

Wow, wish mine looked like that. What kind of potato makes that color?

Red Skin potatos!!!!

Morganluver

That's sweet!

ah

A Beauty and all wars are to bloody

CapAnson

Before rifle cartridges came into use standing toe to toe and whaling away was the only way you could do it.. it you hunked down behind a fort or something the enemy would just rush you while you were busy ramming the gunpowder and ball down the barrel.. so stupid as it looks to the modern person it was the best way.. of course shortly after the civil war breech loading cartridges were developed and that was the end of that...

Which gets me to thinking, has anyone ever heard of a coin where it was damaged by a civil war round.. if it could be documented as authentic that would be such a cool collectible..

truthteller

I'm curious. I'm not from the south. Do native southerners resent the northerners to this day?

TRUTH

dwood

truthteller,
Yes we do. We also sit around rocking on our porches all day playing banjo, whittling dolls, bumming snuff from grandma, and dreaming of the day we get to finally see Dollywood. Oh...and on Sundays we don't drink moonshine before noon, unless the race starts early that day

At least that's how it is in my family.

truthteller

Wow, Dollywood! That's one of my unfulfilled dreams too.

TRUTH

Veep

There is a documented case of a Civil War round hitting a coin and saving a man's life.

The Confedarate submarine, The Hunley, which was recently recovered contained the remains of a seaman who had in his possession a gold piece ($20?) that had been hit by a mini ball earlier in the war. It perhaps saved his life. Coin World had the story a few months ago. Fascinating stuff.

michael

wow mark!! in your guesstimate what do you think the selling range will be for this coin after it is all over and said and done?

i think 9500


sincerely michael

michael

ttt

Trime

Michael,
I agree that this is a very nice coin
I am always interested in reasoning process. How did you come to your guestimate on price?
I presume this is not just intuition. What comparators did you use? What assumptions did you make?

michael

for me this is based on demand of other collectors of toned early commems and what they were willing to pay in the past

then i extropolated based on this coins overall rarity in white and 66 and the service and then what i perceive as the demand for this coin with this type of toning and how they come tonewise

so i come to around 9500


but i guess only time will tell


sincerely michael

Bustman

They use to fight that way because the old muskets were not very accurate. By facing each other in groups, 50 yards apart, they were sure to hit someone. As the war progressed and more troops started using rifles that were much more accurate, the old face to face way of fighting was nearing its end.

coinguy1

Michael had said "wow mark!! in your guesstimate what do you think the selling range will be for this coin after it is all over and said and done? i think 9500"

Guess what? Michael hit it on the button - $9500 hammer price or $10,925, including the buyer's premium!

Michael, please tell me, what else do you see in your crystal ball?

michael

mark i figured i was close or within the range but bot thawt close!

the coin must be a really good coin then i would love to see it

now my crystal ball predictions is that i see within the next few years or sooner that lib nicks/three cent nickels/seated coins/especially so barber coinage proof and especially so mintstate coins


the higher the grade combined with the lower the pop even better but all good!

these coins will experience intense high pent up demand!

sincerely michael

Bear

While the toning on the coin was wonderful, the coin would not upgrade and therefor

the price seemed suitable only for a fanatical collector with very deeeeeepppppp pockets.

ANACONDA

A gorgeous coin. Wow....it sold for quite a bit above estimate. Beautiful.

adrian

Bear

Adrian, How come you didnt go after the ANTITIAM?

michael

well a grreat coin at a fair price i like this coin at 9500 better than it being in a 68 holder and selling for 25k

a value coin at 9500 in the 66 holder

remember in all markets the toned early commem market has been going loike this for well over 30 years and is well established with only the most attractive original coins being worth this and climbing

and actually greqt coins and greaqt values also

over 22 years ago this coin would have sold for more!

you would be surprised at the many monster toned coins that were bought in the late 1980's early 1990's that much more wwas paid for coins not as good or pretty as this anti

sincerely michael

Bear

I actually met the guy who bought the coin, all I can say is this. If I had a gun,

I would have shot him. Nothing personal mind you, just bussiness.

Trime

Cool coin and cool price.
Michael , I hope you didn't buy the coin at this price to show how clever you are in your predictions.