FC57Coins- You're the BEST! Thanks Frank. (Photos)

braddick

The best Collectors are right here, no doubt, on these Forums!
Frank was kind enough to sell me two needed toned American Silver Eagles for my PCGS "Peacock Eagles" Registry. They arrived today because Frank overnighted, at his expense, the package! Super cool on his part.

Here's some neat photos too of these two beauties!

Toned 2001

Reverse

Toned 2002

Reverse

MrKelso

I like em i like em!!!!!!!

Bear

Now remember, Frank is just a little dog smoking a big cigar.

braddick

<< <i>Now remember, Frank is just a little dog smoaking a big cigar. >>



Bear- I certainly hope "smoaking" is simply a spelling error on your part. . .

MadMarty

Who likes potatos!!!

dwood

<blank stare>

Monstavet

An honest question - just ignore everything going on in the forums the last couple of days about AT -

Under what conditions would a one year old coin develop so much color?

I am NOT accusing anyone of anything....I am just surprised at the degree of change in such a short time. I saw one similar to that 2002 at a local shop...it really stuck out because it was just sitting in with a big stack of bright white 2002s...I asked the dealer, and he just sort of shrugged, said he left it sitting out or something. Is it simply because of the high purity of the silver that it readily oxidizes? Why don't all 2002 ASEs look like this?

dwood

I have over 500 SAEs, consisting of at least a full roll of every date. A better question for me is, out of 500, why don't any of mine look like this, or anything close to this?

And I'm not making any accusations either. My main collection is Gem OBW rolls of Lincoln cents, which I have built and upgraded over 30 years. I am careful with how they are stored, and am fanatical about humidity control with the coppers (especially the pre 1940 rolls). I do wonder though if I am foolish to carefully store my silver coins. If simply leaving them out causes this type of toning, why bother with humidity and temperature control?

braddick

dwood- There is a hugh difference in the way I'd treat copper vs silver and their storage requirements are equally as diverse.

You're correct in your proper way of storing your copper collection. To do otherwise would be foolish.

JohnButlerfromLV

<< <i>An honest question - just ignore everything going on in the forums the last couple of days about AT -

Under what conditions would a one year old coin develop so much color?

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JohnButlerfromLV

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<< <i>An honest question - just ignore everything going on in the forums the last couple of days about AT -

Under what conditions would a one year old coin develop so much color?

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Leave one of these ASEs in a velvet gift box sold in local coin shops for 6 months and you will get nice color.
The other option is to leave it in one of these gift boxes on the dash board in July here in Las Vegas for a few hours and the results would be pretty much the same.
ASEs color rapidly with heat and proper surrounding material.

dwood

I've had success with it on the coppers Braddick, but am I being too safe with the silver? If I left them in a more humid, warmer environment, would I see the colors these 1 and 2 year old coins are showing? Or is it just an arbitrary, by-chance occurence?

The coppers are a big concern to me. I've put too many years and too much money into them to let anything happen. I make the trip to the vault once a month to swap out about $50 worth of silica. But it pays off. I opened a roll of 32-P the other night and they were absolute blazers! I've had that roll for 15-20 years, and the end coins look just as they did the day I bought them. I'm convinced the finest known, and possibly 3-4 finest known 39-Ps are in a roll I've had for 2 years now. They'll be headed off to PCGS sometime later this year.

Anyway....should I be this careful with the silver? Or is a more casual approach beneficial to toning?

cointoast

jbsteven

FC57Coins

Boys, boys, boys, relax! Here's the story on those two coins.

I was at a local coin shop here in Louisville and I saw these two raw ASE's. I studied them, and keeping in mind what I had learned about toned Morgans, my first impression was - nah - at least the first one had to be AT - the second one had possibilities, but it too was a little too "good to be true". Then I thought about it a little bit longer and realized that we were talking pure silver here. I had seen ASE's with weird toning and decided to take a chance on them and send them in the next time I had a few coins to send to PCGS. Well - the results came back, and to their satisfaction. I can't vouch for how the coins got toned that way, all I can tell you is that the dealer was going to dip them and sell them as white coins, so I felt compelled to save them - I guess Braddick is glad I did!

Frank

AbesNeighbor

Who really cares about HOW.. They are pretty, you like them, so be it!

dwood

Frank,
I want to be clear that I wasn't implying anything, and especially about the seller! But my question is honest. By "properly" storing my silver coins, am I denying myself some of the premiums toned coins bring? I've seen literally hundreds of SAEs in color similar to these, but not one in my collection even comes close (and we're talking about 500+ SAEs!). Am I taking "too good" care with my silver? (Outside of the Lincolns, my other collections are nickels and two centers, so I don't have much experience with silver). I live in a VERY humid environment (my back yard is a 144,000 acre lake Should I store silver in a "less pristine" environment than my coppers and nickels? (which are in a vault, almost 100 miles away, save the few I'm currently drooling over

CThomas

I asked my dealer this same question since we've been discussing it so much lately. He said that on the silver coins such, such as the eagles, the ones' that are very first struck still have die polish on them. That's what will make them tone so quickly! I know this to be a fact because I was in his shop when he received his 2003s and when he opened one of his tubes. On the top was a 2003 with rainbow toning straight from the mint. He said the die polish would make them do that and that the ones he had were truly what you call 'First Strikes" .

That's what I believe!

Chris

AbesNeighbor

Chris,

Does that mean that because a chemical caused it that it is definitely AT!

dwood

Which begs the question....

Where can I get some die polish???

Its a joke people...relax.

AbesNeighbor

Mine was in fun too!

I guess a point is that you really can't tell AT from NT if performed by a professional with the proper cehicals and environment.

It just doesn't matter though...enjoy the coins.

RotatedRainbows

It is definitely the pure silver that makes the difference, I was cleaning out an old gun safe and found an old experiment that I did back in the 80's. I took a number of 1 oz silver rounds (couple Morgan's, $4 stellas) along with a few Kennedy's and some proof Rosie's and wrapped them in a plain white tissue and then put them in an old canvas bag I picked from a local bank wrapped them up and put them away and forgot about them. When I ran across them the other day (the date I wrote on the package was April 1988) many of the silver rounds have great toning, one of the Ultra deep mirror Prooflike $4 Stellas has the most incredible blue toned reverse you could imagine. Also one of the Morgans has a perfect arc of rainbow toning on both sides yet all the real coins (Kennedy's & Rosies) show little to no toning at all. In fact most show no toning and only two Rosies show any type of blue toning even though they were sitting side by side with the silver rounds. I will have to take some pictures of them (maybe today) so you can see what they look like after 15 years (well 14 yrs 10 months) of sitting in a canvas bag along with plain white tissues.

dwood

Rotated,
Please do! I'd be EXTREMELY interested in seeing the results, and in the details of the "packaging."

Sounds like a Mint bag and some Kleenex?