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Still think this is AT?

I received my raw 1922 today in the mail and took my own pictures and then have it in the mail to ANACS along with 4 other raw toned coins to see what they think. I did 5 day express and will list the grade and if they think it is AT. Do you still think it is AT? There is a lot of luster and shine on the obv.

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I also received the 1961 Proof set with the neat toned Franklin. Here is the photo for that too.

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Lori

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  • It looks nice Lori. I can't tell if it is AT but it is a pretty coin. Why ANACS instead of PCGS?
  • Cheaper. $15 per coin and 5 days only.

    Lori
  • Plus they slab it even if it is AT.
  • They also put on the slab if it is AT. At least you get it slabbed and not just returned and your out your money.
    Lori
  • I think you might have a nice envelope toning there....I'll be interested to see your result because I have Morgan that looks a lot like that...an overall even golden toning on both sides.

    So far I like ANACS...but I've got 2 coins in with them right now that could go either way on grades, so we'll see if the lovefest continues. Their smaller sized slab has grown on me....
  • Lori:

    I'm going to be sending mine tomorrow to NGC - let's see what they have to say about it!

    Frank

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  • OK, educate me a little. If it is not AT... the coin will bring 2 to 3 times the price of An ANACs coin graded at the same level (MY opinion from what I've seen) doesn't that make the grading fee irrelevant?
  • You may be right but I plan to keep my coins. If PCGS or NGC decided the coin was AT you loose the fee and just get your coin back. If I am wrong about that I am sorry. At least at ANACS I will get the coin slabbed and told it was AT on the Slab. For me I just want it slabbed and not laying around raw.

    Lori
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Lori,

    Without commenting on this most recent coin of yours or the previous one you posted, I will say this - my experience has been that ANACS is not nearly as good as PCGS or NGC at detecting AT coins. The prices and liquidity of coins in ANACS holders are rarely as good, either.
  • Lori is a collector and not an investor. There is a HUGE difference. Whatever value the market puts on her coins probably isn't a driving factor in whether or not she likes it. That is extremely refreshing, and I now find myself attracted to every single thing she posts.

    Thanks Lori! Keep em coming. For me, you're what this is all about!
    dwood

    "France said this week they need more evidence to convince them Saddam is a threat. Yeah, last time France asked for more evidence it came rollin thru Paris with a German Flag on it." -Dave Letterman
  • Amen.....

    Of course we all would like to see a nice return on our hobby, but to paraphrase one of my older veteran coin club buddies, who has some real gems in his collection, ...Don't expect to make money collecting coins...
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Everybody is scared of Lori's coins now so I'll go bad guy first.......
    It looks circulated, cleaned, & retoned to me. The reason I said that is because it is flat & differently colored on the details. It either has circulated or is very weakly struck. I see hairlines on the face, neck, & the obv fields, so it has either been cleaned or circulated.
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    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • Thanks dwood!

    I buy coins because I like them. Not by the grade or holder it is in. I like to post my new coins and get opinions from other coin collectors because it is fun. I think if you collect something it should be fun for you. I have fun and like to hear what everyone else thinks, good or bad. My husband does not care for my coin collecting. He just looks at them and nods. It is nice to have this board to share my findings.

    Thank you everyone for looking and replying to my threads. I learn a lot but it doesn't stop me from buying coins I like even if it is possible they are doctored coins.

    Lori image
  • Lori,
    I enjoy reading your comments as much, if not more, than anything else on these forums. Your enthusiasm and genuine love for coins just comes screaming through whatever you write. This is a great place to learn, as there are some impressive experts among us. I've learned a lot, and I continue to learn more.

    But in all honesty and sincerity, I think your posts lately have done more for me than any else here. To be reminded of, and then again experience the excitement of finding a new coin is just so refreshing. To be excited about a "pretty coin" regardless of its market value is rarely seen here. And then, to be rewarded with a wonderful certification on top of all that...well....I think you have a really good eye for coins, and I suspect this one is going to be a nice surprise as well. Even if it isn't, I don't think that coin could be in better hands image

    I absolutely love it, and I'm glad you're here. And I'm even more glad that you share it with us. Thanks!
    dwood

    "France said this week they need more evidence to convince them Saddam is a threat. Yeah, last time France asked for more evidence it came rollin thru Paris with a German Flag on it." -Dave Letterman
  • Well, it will also be interesting to see if ANACS can fit both "cleaned" and "artificially toned" on the same slab. On the plus side, that Peace dollar should be germ-free, after being scrubbed and cooked. image Just my opinion based on the photo, keep us posted.

    The Franklin is cool. Is there a pinhole in the packaging, or can you see maybe a little debris that caused that?
  • Lori,

    My posts were genuine questions of interest and you answered them. I like your peace dollar and probably would not have it graded at all if it was just something I liked and was going to keep it.

    I buy my coins because I like them. I also know that circumstances may mean I will have to liquidate at some point in time. I kind of bounce off the walls... I have some modern and some not so modern coins.

    I respect everyone on this forum and the various reasons why they do things.
  • Yep, there was a small slice in the cello right were the toning took place on the Franklin. Pretty nice looking coin otherwise.

    I have to ask, if the coin was cleaned there would be no shine or luster left on it right? Or when it is baked image does the luster come back. This coin has alot of shine on the hair. Just wondering.

    Lori
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think your peace dollar is neither "real" nor "AT" I think it looks "kinda fakey but not too bad, ive seen worse" and consider that toning grade/value neutral to slightly negative. why on earth send that in?

    its in AU, maybe even high XF, no?

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • There are lots of kinds of cleaning, some of which make the coin nice and shiny. Your Peace dollar appears to have a bunch of fine scratches/hairlines from being wiped or scrubbed prior to being toned. On the other hand, since it also appears circulated, it might be considered just normal wear.

    Yep, there was a small slice in the cello right were the toning took place on the Franklin. Pretty nice looking coin otherwise.

    Actually I meant the toning was neat, I like it! A plain old white Franklin proof is boring. image
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Lori asks: "if the coin was cleaned there would be no shine or luster left on it right?"
    Lori do you know the difference between shine and luster? Cleaning will make it shiny, however it will be an even mirror looking shine all over no matter how you look at the coin, kinda reminds you of a Proof, and true luster is the little band of light that goes round & round like in the old western movies where the wheels on the stagecaoch look like they are turning backward. If you don't see this little band of light go round & round when you tilt and rotate the coin then it has been cleaned, what has happened is that the microscopic flow lines from when the planchet spread out and filled the recesses of the die design under the pressure of the strike has been interupted or removed.
    What I just wrote may sound goofy but that's the easiest way to explain it. image
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • And remember Lori....coins don't have to be slabbed to be appreciated....image


  • << <i>What I just wrote may sound goofy but that's the easiest way to explain it >>



    Not goofy Dog...that's pretty much how the "pros" explain it too.....image
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    I think I can say without fear of contradiction, that Franks peace dollar

    is........................................................round and metallic. In addition, the coin was

    probably made at a Federal agency.

    Of course this is my personnal professional opinion.
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage

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