Thin ties. Wide ties. Color coins. White coins.

braddick

There are only so many trends with coins. I continue to read of the soon-to-be-death of colorfully toned coins and how the next craze will be white coins.
I don't think so.

Real color will always be with us. Blast white, lusterous coins will always be with us. One, not at the expense of the other.
If anything, as collectors mature their tastes usually swing toward more original coinage.
Original (Classic) coins are generally NOT white but have toning.

The trick is to find attractive, genuine toning and educate yourself on that which is not.

The notion that attractively toned coins will soon sell for "10cents on the dollar" is bogus (IMHO).

CYBERKEN

Naturally-toned coins have always been popular with a segment of collectors, and non-toned, or barely-toned coins with another segment. That's why it's proper that toning should not be included in grading. AT coins will be the area of the next great disappointment in the markets. It's no better than whizzing, dipping, painting, or cleaning. I certainly hope that the grading services will adopt the practice of including the "AT" designation on their slabs, and then let collectors decide for themselves...

gsaguy

Braddick,

Does it really matter?

I say collect what you enjoy and don't worry about what others think.

GSAGUY

braddick

Unfortunutely Bryan, 'what others think' is what drives up prices or reduces them.

Clankeye

Braddick--
I can not see the day when all of a sudden coins with color are shunned. Because there will always be guys like you and me out there picking 'em off--regardless of what the market says.

Clankeye

RegistryCoin

It's probably not quantifiable, but, I think that the extreme premiums paid for monster toned pieces in upcoming auctions will slightly to moderately adjust downward.

Clankeye

RC-- that I could certainly see. I just don't see color coins taking a hit to the point that they are shunned.

Carl

RegistryCoin

Agreed. The "educational" portions of the new service(s), may provide new/accurate info. so that some "doctored" coins will be completely shunned, but nicely toned coins always will be cool.
PS. Thin tie/wide tie is a great analogy.

braddick

Also, and maybe this is the one and only benefit of collecting for twenty+ years!- experienced Collectors are not fooled by AT.

I know that's a somewhat bold statement, but bottom line- do you think ArtR or TomB or GSAGUY, or Mark Field or mdwoods (and MANY, MANY others!) are fooled by this stuff?

No- it is the collector who is being introduced to this arena via other formats that is taking the hit.

It is why, as Steve pointed out, the Mad Money may settle down a bit for monster color, but overall these coins are locked into the advanced collecting mindset and are not simply a passing fad.

MS68

Braddick- I think that you are correct in that way too much money is being spent in those monster toned commems. I am tired of having to outbid Laura when she is representing "Mad Money" people. It is high time that Laura tells her clients to stop running me up on all those monsters and let me have the coins for my collection for more reasonable numbers! IT IS JUST NOT RIGHT.

RegistryCoin

DITTO, from me and my floor bidder.

clw54

I've read posts here where people talk about an environment where coins are going to change color as being the "right" environment. There isn't even much interest in preserving coins any more, the emphasis is on what color they will turn after putting them in an album or a potato. Keep this up and nearly every coin will be something other than what it was originally. What happens then? People will want the ones that are closest to how they looked when they came out of the mint and they're going to be pricey. There isn't an unlimited amount of coins. Every time one changes color, there's one less that's original. It's sad really, because pieces of our history are not being preserved well. Instead, something that came out of the mint a silver color is more desirable when it looks like a Fillmore poster.

wondercoin

"DITTO, from me and my floor bidder."

MS68 calling Laura's customer's "mad money" is way beyond the "pot calling the kettle black".

Let me tell you - there are few experiences in life as envigorating as finding a "secret" undergraded monster toned coin in an auction and waiting all week to bid in the auction, only to hit a brick wall with MS68's bid at the last minute at some "outrageous" price level exceeding your (unsuccessful) overstretched bid. What is even worse though is seeing the same coin the following week in his case in the higher grade slab priced at 2x-3x the auction price (and having to "beg" for a slight discount)! Or, even worse, having to call RC and give him the "floor bidding" report and then the subsequent report of what is in the showcases the following week

Wondercoin

RegistryCoin

Thoroughly defeated in that world, I couldn't resist a little (obvious) "divide and conquer" attempt.

MS68

Mitch and Steve- Didn't intentionally leave you out of the equation. You both need to start banking at the "Happy Cash" bank also. Time for you guys to realize that paying these insane prices for wonder color coins is a bad deal. Let me lose all my money in peace.

RegistryCoin

You seem to be having so much fun losing money, I just thought you'd let us give it a try, but I get it now. Happy Cash told me that to get an account with them, I need a personal reference from one of their happy clients.