Would You Vote this the Wildest Jefferson Ever?!

braddick

Crazy coin!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3008591451&category=11955

This is the whackiest nickel I've seen.
If this was back in the eighties you just KNOW this Jefferson would be dancing to Tone Locs, "Wild Thing" out on the dance floor (with one of ANACONDA'S rainbow Morgans as a partner!)

hookedoncoins

I would say it is pretty close to the "stupid money" jefferson that was posted in a thread a couple weeks ago. How do you get such vibrant colors naturally?

-Jarrett Roberts

braddick

<< <i>I would say it is pretty close to the "stupid money" jefferson that was posted in a thread a couple weeks ago. How do you get such vibrant colors naturally? -Jarrett Roberts >>


Ahhhh, and there lies the rub.

Excellent question (unanswerable, but excellent).
Better still? "How do you get such a vibrant colored coin into a top three Service holder?"

MacCoin

if not the wildest ever at least in the top 10

agfox

I think that if sent for regrade there would be no argument to ms67*

It's wild for sure.

CarlWohlforth

Is that one of those Appalachian horde nickels?

leothelyon

Didn't someone do an article in CW or NN on how airtite slabs were awhile back but they showed the opposite. I believe coins can be toned from the outside in.

Leo

SemperFI

I noticed that most of the coins have the same color texture, as if they were all done at the same time. Are all of these coins from a single collection? Or is it the same method of applying color? Don't get me wrong, I really like them but the color looks to be the same between all of the coins which makes me wonder. Maybe it is just me and I am an idiot on toning.

kaleidoscopic

I love the colors, but this thing is screaming AT. I have heard that some doctors have the ability to tone through the slab. Knowledge is your best friend in trying to detect tones for AT.

Now, not everyone is going to agree with what is original, or not.
Its best to buy seeing the coin in hand. Kscope

FC57Coins

I would have to agree with NGC that this is the real thing. If you look at how the color blends through out the coin, and compare it to some of the other coins we've seen this past weekend, you'll detect a definite difference. Having pictured many toned coins, I would say that the colors are coming off a little more vibrant than they probably are in real life. Also, as a diagnostic tool, look at how the mint mark has one color on the outside and a different color on the inside. You can also see this in MONTICELLO. Pretty coin. Toned Jeffs have been going through the roof lately, so this one does not surprise me a bit. It's probably been sitting in some sort of cloth or velvet pouch since the 50's.

Frank

baccaruda

i'm not sure of course but it may be real. maybe NGC knows where that color comes from.

i raided my dealer's whitmans this weekend for toned coins. he cares nothing about tone at all so you can get some deals. it looks like he buys old colelctions from people in whitmans and then just sells them piece by piece out of the book.

anyway i as soon as i opened the book one was bright green and neon blue. it looked totally fake but i bought it anyway. this book looked like it was at least 30 years old and there were no coins after 1975, so this book could have been ancient. he had no comment as to what happened to the coin except to say "wow that's a weird one". i paid no premium and got it for 50¢.

kaleidoscopic

I find it hard to see this type of color on non War year issues. The toning doesn't look right on the obverse. The reverse looks like the toning stops basically at Monticello (the building).

The color lays good on the obverse. The pattern shakes me off. I don't like the reverse.

BTW, just because its in a slab....................

Baley

pretty wild color all right, and the current price is even more wild.

I'd pay about $20 for that coin, So guess will have to pass.

lava

Those colors are awesome. At the same time, given my present state of mind, and my brain still pulsating from aswimmer's saga, and others like it, I am not anxious to own it. Will the dust settle any time soon on the toning issue?

baccaruda

i don't know for sure that it's real, but the one i bought i believe is a '52, so it's near the same year and the colors are equally crazy (tho no flourescent pink).

maybe i should try to certify it.

Fairlaneman

Hmmm.......

satootoko

Until I saw some of the threads on this board I thought toning destroyed a coin's value. Thereby exposing my ignorance on the subject, I have a serious question about this nickle -

The color bands appear to be vertical on the obverse, and horizontal on the reverse. Is that normal for a toned coin?

MadMarty

Love those blue Jefferson's, but mine are all proofs!

Bear

I agree with Frank, I think the toning, bizzare as it may be, is real and origonal.

I like the coin and might even bid on it.If it should ever turn out to be fake I guess its picture

will be shown in the Forums Hall of Shame.

Singapore

Wild? Yes. Pretty? In my opinion yes. Natural? Not even the slightest possible chance.

Whoever did that to that coin did it pretty well, and will be rewarded with a $170 profit for their effort.

Fun business, this numismatics.

CoinAddict

I have bought a few coins from this seller within the last two months and both of the coins that I got looked exactly like they did in the picture. The two coins were a 1938 Jefferson nickel proof, which I already showed in a guess the grade I posted, and the other was a 1942 T-1 proof graded by PCGS. The colors on the 1942 are very vibrant but they are not as vibrant as the colors on the coin pictured in the link. I really like the coin that you have shown. I do believe it is one of the wildest Jeffersons I have saw.

CarlWohlforth

It looks somewhat like the Appalachian hoard nickels. I was told they were stored in an envelope. Perhaps this one was also stored in an envelope? I am absolutely positively sure that NGC knows more about grading and authentication than I do

KlectorKid

Wow, it must be one of the wildest Jefferson nickeks ever! AT? Who knows! Pretty? For sure. ~KK~

FrattLaw

I can also vouch for greattoning, two of my toned Peaces are from him. And while the color in his pics don't always live up to the real coin, they are vibrant and pretty. I doubt highly if the coin is AT, more likely he is an excellent photographer.

Michael

sinin1

I think he finds proof and mint sets and pulls them out - (or for AT fanatics -> makes them and puts them in)

The following link is to one of his recently closed auctions with a blue nickel and a pink/purple half in a 1971 proof plastic container from the mint - I suppose it could have been opened and coins exchanged and glued back shut (for the conspiracy buffs).

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3359&item=3007806569&rd=11971

Petescorner

Looking at the picture of the Reverse, I have to ask: When did NGC start using Blue holders?

leothelyon

Has anyone noticed these peculiar markings on Jefferson's coat. I'll refrain from speculating.
Anyone else?


Leo

onlyroosies

I had a 52S Roosevelt that looked like that (see attachment). NGC graded it MS68 12 years ago. I sent it back into NGC 3
years ago and they added the star designation to it. I always questioned the toning but boy was it pretty. Its now owned
my another very reputable board member.

RGL

Again, I have to bow to NCG, which has seen and evaluated these wild Jeffs, but there is something unnatural about that toning that I cannot easily dismiss. It could be totally legit and not AT, but I sure would like to run that coin by several experts in person ...

Russ

<< <i>I sent it back into NGC 3 years ago and they added the star designation to it. >>



I didn't know NGC had been doing the star designation for three years. I thought that was something they started recently.

Russ, NCNE

FC57Coins

<< <i>Has anyone noticed these peculiar markings on Jefferson's coat. I'll refrain from speculating. >>



Leo:

Remember that toning is a chemical reaction, as such, you're bound to get some random toning that sometimes can look suspect. However, I think that if you follow the advice of the Toning Video and work backwards from the situation - ask yourself the question, how could this type of toning have occurred? Then you can arrive at a reasonable answer. In this case I speculate that the owner bought a 50D nickel and put it in some sort of cloth pouch for safekeeping - who knows, anyway, I'm sure some ambient moisture may have had something to do with this toning, and as such, you have the colors shown. I still say that the coin probably looks less dramatic than the picture shows.

Frank

Here is an example of what I'm talking about - under extreme conditions you can see the same types of markings that you're talking about in this Morgan. However, the lighting is extremely dramatized to show this type of detail. I think somehow that might be the case with this coin as well.

Frank

leothelyon

Frank
I've noticed these marks and it's pure speculation. Until other other pics of simular toning and markings
surface, there is really nothing to these marks. Another coin, a 1945-D Jefferson, that toning looks like it got a little splochy and I find it very unusal. I'm somewhat familiar with what causes green patina, red patina and brown patina and a mixture of the three will give you blue, gold and orange patina's. But I don't want to write out chemical formula's to prove my point. Nontheless, someone should know what enviorment is causing these colors and NGC needs to know as well before certifying such a coin. I can't help remembering many coins llike these at coin shows in Anacs holders but AT'd and I would pass them by. The splochy toning on this 45-D could not have been done from the outside in, while the coin was in the holder.



Leo