A loophole for contacting bidders of AT coins?
maddox
Posts: 320
With all the legal problems of contacting a sellers bidders, what is to stop someone from using another email account other than the one you have listed with ebay to combat this problem. I personally have 6 seperate email accounts, all thru seperate ISP's, four of which are not in my name (my corporation, and three seperate business accounts). Also, annoymous email accounts routed overseas are easy to get.
I sound like a shaddy character with all these email address, but I'm harmless
, legit business reasons.
Whats to stop one member from using his ebay account to access the email addresses and then passing the email address along to another member (or do it yourself) who would then contact the buyers. Could you use the opener of "you may be interested in viewing this post <insert link> to learn more about coins you are bidding on" or "to learn more about toned coins on ebay, click here"
I'm kinda ticked at the responces a certain someone left, you can see right thru it, what a bunch of crap and it was intentional to defraud hardworking people who don't know any better. PERIOD.
Please point out any faults (I know you will, please be gentle) to this plan or add to it, maybe an underground movement of AT vigilanties.
I sound like a shaddy character with all these email address, but I'm harmless
, legit business reasons.Whats to stop one member from using his ebay account to access the email addresses and then passing the email address along to another member (or do it yourself) who would then contact the buyers. Could you use the opener of "you may be interested in viewing this post <insert link> to learn more about coins you are bidding on" or "to learn more about toned coins on ebay, click here"
I'm kinda ticked at the responces a certain someone left, you can see right thru it, what a bunch of crap and it was intentional to defraud hardworking people who don't know any better. PERIOD.
Please point out any faults (I know you will, please be gentle
) to this plan or add to it, maybe an underground movement of AT vigilanties." I hoard coins, that's what I do, it's my nature"
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This certain individual is not one-of-a-kind unfortunately!
-Aaron
Watch out Nellie! Daddy's coming through!
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Do not take this the wrong way. I personally think that most coins are kinda UGLY! I also do not sell coins, so that takes the money making out of the question. I am just looking at this from all perspectives.
Note: do at your own risk.
It could be handy though, say somebody was bidding strong money on a coin I wanted; I could send them an anonymous email saying the coin was bad and scare them away.
There is a potential for abuse.
Ebay quit displaying email addresses for this reason.
Ebay quit allowing most bid retractions for this reason.
More auction interference will only result on eBay tightening up even more on contacting other eBayers.
There is no "anonymous" on eBay. Everything you do is tracked by cookies, spyware, your own ISP # & 3rd party marketing sites that track where you were browsing before you clicked on eBay's site and they track where you go after you leave eBay's site.
There is one way I've thought of to avoid this, but it requires some hacker skills. Don't bother "challenging" me to divulge this publicly; frankly, you'd have to be a hacker to utilize this anyway.
EVP
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To me, you'd not have disrupted anyone's auction, you'd only be inviting the bidder to read different viewpoints so he could form his own view. Alternately, he'd be free to ignore your link and live in bliss.
GSAGUY
That's somewhat problematic. You could still interefere with his auctions, through your contact of his bidders. Just because you didn't say anything directly doesn't mean that you aren't cupable.
Imagine this scenerio, I own a widget manufacturing business and I hate my competition. So I find a guy, someone who is "judgement proof" no money, no property, no insurance, nothing to take. So I pay him under the table to call my competition's clients and tell him to make up some really nasty stuff on this guy so his business fails. Did I do anything wrong? -- I know your answer -- only if you get caught, right?
Sorta the same thing here, alot of the law is based upon intent, mens rea. What was your intent? And what was your actions in light of your intent. Do you have what is called "clean hands?"
Michael
No, that wasn't my answer....but nice try anyway.
What if my intent was to educate?
I've actually had one prominent dealer tell me that he thought I was too forthcoming with information to collectors! Perhaps he's right. Perhaps I sometimes do disclose more info than I should.
Perhaps I don't approach this hobby like other dealers. Heck, one more than one occassion, I've walked all the way across the bourse floor to take a collector to another dealer's table to show him a toned coin so that he could buy it directly from that dealer. Most dealers would get the coin on the arm and attempt to sell the coin to the collector with a built-in commish for himself.
I guess what I'm asking is this. If my intent is to help the buyer gather the most info possible so that he can make an informed buying decision, am I guilty of anything wrong?
Thanks for your posts. They're most informative.
I don't often disclose this, but I have a brother that's an attorney. I usually just tell people that he's a piano player in a cathouse.
GSAGUY
I have to come see you @ Long Beach and see your coins!
As for education, I couldn't agree more. Somewhere I posted an idea about selling a link to a website on Ebay as to what to look for in AT doctored coins. With all of the expertise on this Board, toning, computer, legal
I don't know if Ebay would allow an auction to a website, but why not? You could have this auction running in all the different coins sections where toning seems to be a hot topic, Morgans, Peace, Walkers ect. Those looking for toned coins would stumble acrossed it and for $1 probably buy it.
What do you think, we got enough experts and blowhards around here to make it happen?
Michael
Seriously, I'm all for education and I know collector's with whom I've worked would back me up on that.
Selling a link to a website? Interesting, but sort of sounds like selling ice to an Eskimo. I'll have to think about that one. Perhaps you're on to something?
But one thing I do know. Even with all the BS on this forum, a newbie can learn more, get linked to more experts, and avoid more pitfalls with a few weeks of monitoring or participating in these boards than he could get in years of attending coin shows or searching through his library.
From AT to legal, it's all here...and as Martha would say, "that's a good thing".
GSAGUY