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ACG is better than PCGS - and this proves it!!!!!

ms71ms71 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Now here's a guy with some orbs! Not only the deceptive header, but then the images. Note on the ACGs that the lighting is set so you can't judge the fields - they're in the dark. Not so on the PCGS, of course. This guy has 8 negatives, a sure sign. If it's all the same to him, I'll gladly take the PCGS & let him keep the "better" coin.

Seeing is Believing!!!!!
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Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you sumthin' . . . . that ain't no optical illusion, it only looks like an optical illusion.

My mind reader refuses to charge me....

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  • littlewicherlittlewicher Posts: 1,822 ✭✭
    The ACG coin is in bad lighting. It probably has a lot of problems. I would take the PCGS coin anyday over the ACG coin.


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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Wouldn't it be funny if this was counterfeit?
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  • ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
    The guy has 200 feedback and 1 negative!! Where did someone see 8 at?????????
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,413 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love these posts - "I could make another $500 by crossing it but I'm a nice guy and would rather you take the profit".
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Mahes me want to cross all my coins....imageNOT!!!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • ms71ms71 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ksteelheader - that's the "last 6 months" column you're looking at - look to the left, outside the box, for his total count.

    We chiefs always have to be watching you PO3 types! (former ETC USN)
    Successful BST transactions: EagleEye, Christos, Proofmorgan,
    Coinlearner, Ahrensdad, Nolawyer, RG, coinlieutenant, Yorkshireman, lordmarcovan, Soldi, masscrew, JimTyler, Relaxn, jclovescoins

    Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you sumthin' . . . . that ain't no optical illusion, it only looks like an optical illusion.

    My mind reader refuses to charge me....
  • MrLeeMrLee Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭
    Here's what his last neg was.

    Ebay auction by dredpirateroberts.

    All of 7¢ !!!!!!!!!
  • wingedlibertywingedliberty Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the heads up. He is now on my dirt list.


    Brian.
  • ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777 ✭
    You learn something new every day. As long as I have been using e-bay, I never noticed the total in the corner.
    And, by the way Chief, that is Doc to you. Always liked to be giving the shots to anyone that outranked me. LOL
  • MrpawnMrpawn Posts: 595
    6 of his negatives are from some guy in Australia that would not pay extra postage.

    He should probably stick to selling stamps, cards and books until he learns more about coins though
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  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    What a riot, he truly must be numismatically ignorant. I know most collectors, and myself, will keep the better of two identical coins and sell the lesser duplicate. An ACG coin better than a same graded PCGS coin? Yeah, right, when a certain place freezes over. image
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    Painting with a pretty BROAD brush today, aren't we Chief (ms71)?? You state, "This guy has 8 negatives, a sure sign." That's it? That's the end of the story? Did you research the Feedback at all? Probably not! Or, you did and it told a story you didn't want to reveal to other Members, as it didn't substantiate the story you wanted to imply. This seller deserved better than that!

    The seller has 599 Positive feedbacks, 1 neutral feedback and 8 negative feedback from 3 unique users. That's right, only 3 users. He only has ONE(1) negative feedback in his last 357 feedback transactions!

    Tell me ms71, have you even done 357 transactions on Ebay? Didn't think so....

    The 1 negative feedback in that last 357 transactions was from a "GREEN" buyer with all of 19 total feedbacks that didn't get as quick a response to his e-mail as he had expected. Something about a 7c differential. Yea, 7 CENTS! Certainly wouldn't hold that one against him.

    Then, some jerk buyer from Australia bids on 6 of his auctions, even though his auction said foreign bidders weren't welcome, and then actually complained when the seller said he would need more money than stated in the auction to ship the items. Imagine that. Some buyer can't understand why the seller would want more S&H money to ship half way across the WORLD, instead of half way across the country??!! So, this seller takes SIX (6) negatives from a bidder that didn't know how to follow directions. Certainly wouldn't hold those against the seller!

    Then the last, and final, negative feedback is from a jerk buyer whose postal m.o. was lost in the mail. The seller asks him to cancel the m.o., obtain a new one and send it for payment. The buyer instead files a negative feedback. This jerk buyer can't seem to understand why the seller won't just ship the item without payment?? Well, I don't think I will hold that negative feedback against the seller.

    Hey Chief, you don't like the ACG coin (I'm not keen on them either), then don't bid on the guy's auction.

    However, he certainly DIDN'T deserve to be held up for ridicule on this Forum! By the way, for all you cynics out there, I don't know the fellow. Just my opinion. image
  • JJacksJJacks Posts: 759 ✭

    I don't know. I think just about anybody deserves ridicule for either of the following:

    1. Selling an ACG coin (only acceptable if you need the money and you state it is only ACG and probably graded improperly)

    2. Claiming anything good about ACG.

    Personally, I would never buy from someone who hypes up their coins anyway, and especially not an ACG coin.

    JJacks
    Always buying music cards of artists I like! PSA or raw! Esp want PSA 10s 1991 Musicards Marx, Elton, Bryan Adams, etc. And 92/93 Country Gold AJ, Clint Black, Tim McGraw PSA 10s
  • drsvenghalidrsvenghali Posts: 291 ✭✭
    Well said DCAM!!! What is wrong with selling an ACG coin... just because it's in the ACG holder? Buy the coin not the holder. Geeze. How many times does that need to be said.
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  • ms71ms71 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭✭✭
    DCAMFranklin - No, I don't have 500+ ebay feedbacks. I do have 200+, zero negatives and zero neutrals.

    I didn't "hold the guy up for ridicule" based on his negatives, I only said it was a sure sign - and to me it is. My reason for posting the auction was what is, to me, an obvoious attempt to deceive the unwary collector and profit at his expense.

    Why put "PCGS" in the title? (obvious)

    Why declare the coin "better than PCGS"? (obvious)

    Why then use pi$$-poor lighting on the ACG which hides the fields, but much different lighting on the PCGS? (obvious)

    The guy traffics in ACG coins, and holds them out as "better than PCGS". To me, the hobby doesn't need this guy or his methods.
    Successful BST transactions: EagleEye, Christos, Proofmorgan,
    Coinlearner, Ahrensdad, Nolawyer, RG, coinlieutenant, Yorkshireman, lordmarcovan, Soldi, masscrew, JimTyler, Relaxn, jclovescoins

    Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you sumthin' . . . . that ain't no optical illusion, it only looks like an optical illusion.

    My mind reader refuses to charge me....
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>Well said DCAM!!! What is wrong with selling an ACG coin... just because it's in the ACG holder? Buy the coin not the holder. Geeze. How many times does that need to be said. >>



    Please explain to me how you can buy the coin and not the holder on eBay. ACG coins are for one purpose: to dupe unsuspecting, unknowledgable collectors on eBay. Want a couple of good examples of what to expect in an ACG slab?

    1895-O Morgan Dollar ACG "AU53"

    IMAGE 1
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    IMAGE 5

    1936 Long Island Half ACG "MS65"

    IMAGE 6
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  • MrLeeMrLee Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What is wrong with selling an ACG coin... >>



    ACG should be boycotted. They're a scam company taking advantage of novice coin buyers and if everyone avoids their coins, they'll be out of business. Those selling them are well aware that there are rookie buyers on eBay and that makes them part of the problem.



    << <i>Buy the coin not the holder. >>

    And don't buy anything in an ACG holder.

  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is it just my eyes or do the two ones in the eleven in that date look like they are not parallel and also not level with one another? In the lower image (I suppose the PCGS) they look both parallel and level, but not on the ACG coin.
  • JJacksJJacks Posts: 759 ✭

    I have to agree with Mr. Lee on this one.

    It is like asking what is wrong with a broker telling a novice investor to put their lives savings into a stock that the broker knows is risky, because he wants the commissions and then when the stock goes to 0, saying that every investor needs to know the risks for themselves and this investor should have known better.

    Clearly this guy is playing games such as putting "PCGS" in the title, etc. If the coin is so darn great, he shouldn't need to hype it up. What's so wrong with simply stating what you are selling, putting up a picture and leaving it at that.

    JJacks
    Always buying music cards of artists I like! PSA or raw! Esp want PSA 10s 1991 Musicards Marx, Elton, Bryan Adams, etc. And 92/93 Country Gold AJ, Clint Black, Tim McGraw PSA 10s
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    JJacks-
    Surely you are kidding! A novice investor stupid enough to put his/her life's savings into ONE individual stock doesn't deserve anyone's sympathy. Eight years of the Clinton administration has created a country that no longer feels each individual must take responsibility for one's own actions. Get real.

    You are going to compare one ACG St. Gauden to investing one's life's savings?? That 1911-D St Gauden, even if it were to cross at MS-61, isn't going to go to 0, like your analogy!
  • JJacksJJacks Posts: 759 ✭

    DCam,

    Of course the coin won't go to 0. My point is that in either case, the person selling the item at the very least could be accused of being dishonest. I like the people here and other places who say they will not buy from a dealer who sells ACG coins period.

    Glad to see you are on my side politically however.image

    JJacks
    Always buying music cards of artists I like! PSA or raw! Esp want PSA 10s 1991 Musicards Marx, Elton, Bryan Adams, etc. And 92/93 Country Gold AJ, Clint Black, Tim McGraw PSA 10s
  • wingedlibertywingedliberty Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭
    MS71:
    Excellent thread. Anyone carrying ACG garbage should be avoided like the plague regardless of feedback or where its peddled.



    Brian.

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