Can someone explain why this would be considered CAM and not DCAM?

FC57Coins

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Russ

Hehe, while we're at it, why is this one not a CAM at all?



Russ, NCNE

mnmcoin

Looks like a nice one, but based on the pic, the obverse just lacks the frost on most of the portrait, especially the mid sections, and the frost fades on the reverse at the middle lower section of bell keep it.

Nice coin though.

morris <><

LucyBop

Again, its hard to tell from picture as pictures of Proofs can be very deceptive..... The coin really needs deep mirrors.... and the black and white contrast goes a long way to convince PCGs of a DCAM, atleast in my opinion that is based off of several scores on DCAMs.... The Liberty bell seems alittle week in the frost...........

check this out..



this coin has frost on both the obverse and reverse however not enough to warrant even a cam designation. this is my pr68, and a very pretty just miss cam... I donot disagree with PCGs what-so-ever on the grade....

LucyBop

A SLAMDUNK DCAM!!!!!

FC57Coins

Lucy:

If what MnM says is correct, then the frost looks like it fades from the bell on yours as well - what do you make of it?

Frank

LucyBop

I make of it simply this, the 62 I am showing has extremely deep mirrors and a awesome black and white contrast. I have never ever said anywhere that some frost weakness can hurt a DCAM if the coin has strong mirrors and the very convincing black and white contrast. In fact I have often argued that some frost weakness and even breaks is acceptable such as what is seen on almost every 56 DCAM proof.

However, if one has frost weakness and lacks the depth in the mirrors, its probably cam city then...

LucyBop

The other thing that helps this 62 is the stunning frost on the obverse which is much much stronger then what is seen on your 63.... The Obverse is helping carry this coin....

Russ

I'll say one thing for Lucy, she does seem to know a DCAM Frankie when she sees one. We argued over this coin:



I said it was only a CAM and didn't have a snowball's chance of getting the DCAM designation. She said, over and over, that it was a DCAM. She was right. PCGS graded it a DCAM.

Russ, NCNE

LucyBop

and after examining your picture, the frost in your bell appears weaker then what is seen in this 62....

oldcameoproofsguy

Frank,

That '63 is close and if it missed a DCAM it wasn't by much.

Lucy,

That '62 has some seriously thick frost and some deep, dark mirrors... very nice! I think that coin qualifies as a DCAM+++++++++.

keets

hey frank

short and sweet from the scan, weak frost and impaired mirrors. the clincher on most borderlines will always be the mirrors. with deep watery mirrors, frost is enhanced.

al h.

Gilbert

Frank,

IMO, there are two or three possibilities: 1) IN THE SCAN there appears to be a serious break in the frost on the lower right quadrant of the bell, but that could be simply a shadow, 2)the obverse frost is a tad light and uneven, which segways into what I suspect is the primary reason for the CAM designation instead of DCAM 3) the uniformity of the frost is not consistent, on the obv and rev, which I guess is what they are describing as "fade." Personally, I thinks its the frost and not the fields.

ksteelheader

The reason. Simply one human beings' opinion as compared to another human beings' opinion!