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2000-P Sacagawea dollars Reverse Die Crack

OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

I found this first one months ago roll hunting.

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  • OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cool finds, the second one looks to be a slightly later die state than the first.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Its a pre cud die break.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excellent. Haven't seen any die cracks that advanced on Sac dollars before.

  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 27, 2023 5:25AM

    These are fairly scarce (think I’ve found less than 5 total) but I’ve never seen much interest in the market for them. Very nice broken dies

    Here’s one I sold:
    https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1131200/Mint-Error-2000-P-Sacagawea-Dollar-Broken-Dies-ICG-MS-63

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1madman said:
    These are fairly scarce (think I’ve found less than 5 total) but I’ve never seen much interest in the market for them. Very nice broken dies

    Here’s one I sold:
    https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1131200/Mint-Error-2000-P-Sacagawea-Dollar-Broken-Dies-ICG-MS-63

    That is interesting. Can I ask where you found them?

    Like @gumby1234 said pre cud. I found this on Cuds-on-coins.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Found them roll searching a couple decades ago

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1madman said:
    Found them roll searching a couple decades ago

    Where? Where are you located in this world?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    I found this one yesterday. Obviously from the same anvil die. I'm just wondering how many made it into circulation before the die was replaced or shattered.

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    A little interesting that the ones here all appear to have similar stage of die cracks (including the one coming off the R in dollar and toward tail then star).

    So how quickly did the cracks progress on this die? I don't know but cracks can be slow to very quick to progress and much of that depends on the stresses in the metal at the crack(s) under loading. If most are cracked similarly, then the cracks may have occurred very quickly. If the cracks progressed slowly, then should be many showing the crack progression.

    From the mint website:
    https://www.usmint.gov/learn/production-process/coin-production

    "A circulating coin press strikes 750 coins per minute. The Philadelphia Mint produces 47,250 coins per minute if all of its 63 presses are operational. The Denver Mint makes 40,500 coins per minute with its 54 coin presses. That results in millions of circulating coins each day."

    "Once the press strikes the coins, they drop into either a bin or a tray. An inspector examines samples for errors. If they pass inspection, they move to packaging. If circulating coins don’t meet certain standards, the batch goes to a machine called a waffler. The waffler bends the coins to form wavy lines before they’re sent for recycling."

    A couple things from the above is the rate of coin strikes and the wording "don't meet certain standards..." which doesn't give much information on when a die is considered to be 'bad'. The 750 coins per minute would be 45,000. per hour or just over 1 million in 24 hours of run time (don't know how many hours per day they operate the presses, shifts...).

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  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    United States, east of the Mississippi river. I traveled extensively and got rolls all along the east coast. I do remember I never found more than 1 of these at a time, and it was years between finds.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks @lilolme. Yes, I've read most of that. It's a shame most all of this is speculation but I guess that's what makes this interesting.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1madman said:
    United States, east of the Mississippi river. I traveled extensively and got rolls all along the east coast. I do remember I never found more than 1 of these at a time, and it was years between finds.

    Great! Okay, thanks. So you may have found them from roll along the east coast. I'm hoping not down in Mississippi!! 😂 😉 I'm just trying to narrow down where these things "may" have been dumped into circulation.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well they must be common. I found two more. I don't know, how many could have been minted and dumped into circulation before the die shattered or was replaced.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Way Kewl!

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • 2fun2Bbad2fun2Bbad Posts: 110 ✭✭

    Awesome finds! I have never come across such a die break, little jelly lol

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, that's four! Again, not sure how rare or significant this is but it's interesting. I guess the fed dumped them in my area.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    " I guess the fed dumped them in my area. "

    Hey now, are you allowed to say that? :D

  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 426 ✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    Well, that's four! Again, not sure how rare or significant this is but it's interesting. I guess the fed dumped them in my area.

    Where are you located? Maybe I should go there and look for these! :D

    Cheers, CRHer700 :mrgreen:

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