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Care to "Guess The Grade" on a Draped Bust Dollar? (Grade Revealed In Thread)

BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 19, 2021 6:38AM in U.S. Coin Forum

1800 $1 Draped Bust Silver Dollar, BB-187 / B-16 Close Date Variety, Rarity-2.

I just photographed this yesterday and figured it might make for a good GTG thread :)

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    35.

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    JRGeyerJRGeyer Posts: 130 ✭✭✭
    edited October 18, 2021 11:19AM

    Amended to EF-45

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    CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah, 35.

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting piece.. there's a little weakness in strike but I'm still seeing luster in the devices. I'll say XF40...

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    DeplorableDanDeplorableDan Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not too familiar with the series, but I'll go 30-35

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll guess:

    I want it!

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,616 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Xf

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,107 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU50 (perhaps even a higher AU) (somewhat weak strike on the reverse).

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    ThreeCentSilverFLThreeCentSilverFL Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m going with XF40

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    fathomfathom Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    40

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Strikes me as a 45.

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    CrustyCrusty Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭✭✭

    XF40 but cleaned

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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    EF45 for me too

    I like the EA of this one, and the rims look AU if not better to me.

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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,731 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Somewhere in the 40 range.

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 22,686 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF30

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll guess 35

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    KliaoKliao Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭✭✭

    30

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    DCWDCW Posts: 6,973 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in the VF35 camp.

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    kazkaz Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it has 40 details but wonder if net graded to 30 for the old obv cleaning?

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    CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    XF details.

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    goldengolden Posts: 9,054 ✭✭✭✭✭

    40 here.

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    koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think XF40.

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,285 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF30
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    MrBlusterMrBluster Posts: 320 ✭✭✭

    40

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 18, 2021 6:51PM

    My initial, very quick glance, made me think 40, shot 45. But after looking at images of two PCGS XF40’s and two VF35’s I’m going to go with 35 (edited to add: shot 30).

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    fishteethfishteeth Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF30

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭✭✭

    45

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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    35 to me.
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    jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

    35

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    Elcontador1Elcontador1 Posts: 98 ✭✭✭

    Light cleaning and has retoned. Should straight grade. Solid AU reverse, obverse takes the grade down, not sure how far, though.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a great photograph... I would go with 40 on the grade. Cheers, RickO

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,415 ✭✭✭✭✭

    xf40

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I liked it at 40 as well. Lots of hidden luster in the devices... possibly a candidate for CAC?

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    CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This series tends to be graded a bit conservatively. That said, I don't see much upgrade potential here. Don't think a bean is a lock either due to the old cleaning. Nice example, in any case.

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    fathomfathom Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice pickup.

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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 19, 2021 9:31AM

    @CoinJunkie said:
    This series tends to be graded a bit conservatively. That said, I don't see much upgrade potential here. Don't think a bean is a lock either due to the old cleaning. Nice example, in any case.

    If beans didn't lock on old cleaning there would be tons of draped bust silver issues from half dime to dollar that couldn't make it into the PCGS/CAC registry. On some issues every coin on Coinfacts from top pop Gem MS to AG3 has been mildly molested in the past.

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    CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Broadstruck said:

    @CoinJunkie said:
    This series tends to be graded a bit conservatively. That said, I don't see much upgrade potential here. Don't think a bean is a lock either due to the old cleaning. Nice example, in any case.

    If beans didn't lock on old cleaning there would be tons of draped bust silver issues from half dime to dollar that couldn't make it into the PCGS/CAC registry. On some issues every coin on Coinfacts from top pop Gem MS to AG3 has been mildly molested in the past.

    Understood. I was simply pointing out that many have reported Bust type coins getting rejected by CAC, with JA citing cleaning as the reason. I imagine it's a matter of degree as opposed to an automatic disqualifier. Now you have to send your coin in to find out! B)

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    ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,417 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Broadstruck said:

    @CoinJunkie said:
    This series tends to be graded a bit conservatively. That said, I don't see much upgrade potential here. Don't think a bean is a lock either due to the old cleaning. Nice example, in any case.

    If beans didn't lock on old cleaning there would be tons of draped bust silver issues from half dime to dollar that couldn't make it into the PCGS/CAC registry. On some issues every coin on Coinfacts from top pop Gem MS to AG3 has been mildly molested in the past.

    He's right. Grading services will straight grade / slab Draped Bust Dollars and pre 1815 copper when coins of more recent series, like Seated coins with these problems, would be bagged.

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