Aiming for Perfection! Updated Best photos! Recent posts.

joeykoins

Yes, for the ones that know me best, I'm going for it! MS 70!
Picked this set up very cheap, $30, so I said to myself, "why not?" Lol. I figure even if I fall short, this coin deserves to be entombed by PCGS. Now, I do realize pics are difficult to judge or grade, but from my photos, what do you guy's think? FS. Also, toned to boot. Low mintage too. Thanks

abcde12345

Good luck.
I've noticed in the past if the Jefferson nickel has reverse toning (as so many of them do) you're not likely to get the 70 grade and will have to settle on MS69s.
If you're content with that probable outcome, go for it.

291fifth

How much would they be worth slabbed as 69 or as 70. I have no idea as I don't follow the modern issues.

Catbert

I think PCGS and Starbucks love you!

david3142

A 69 is worth $30 so you will lose anything more you put into it. A 70 might be a $400+ coin but that isn’t a 70. You can see some marks on it. I suspect you will send it in anyway but I am (and many others on this forum (who don’t own CLCT stock) are) genuinely hoping you’ll learn what you’re doing before you keep throwing away money.

Hydrant

Leave 'em in the folders Joey Baby. The slabs won't change what they are.....Very nice pickup!

Batman23

I agree with the others. I tried for a 70 a couple of times as they just looked sooo perfect... Nope, 69s. Gotta learn somehow. Good luck!

ifthevamzarockin

Odds are not in your favor.

It looks like on average you would need to send 37 of them in to get one SP70.

For that kind of odds I would rather throw my money away at a casino and the instant gratification at a casino is better than waiting weeks to find out you lost via an email notification.

Hope the dice roll your way!

291fifth

From reading the other comments in this thread I would advise just leaving them as is. Having them graded would almost certainly be a waste of your money.

BLUEJAYWAY

Hard to read the steps details from the photos.

thisistheshow

I know that a 70 is almost impossible. But I also know that online photos like this aren't a perfect way to judge. The photos appear to offer varying looks, and that makes it difficult to tell.

Edit for clarity.

joeykoins

n> @BLUEJAYWAY said:

Hard to read the steps details from the photos.

Here ya go.

ShaunBC5

Good luck! They look really nice. Nice pick up.

vplite99

Nice! I would keep them as is.

joeykoins

Here are my Best pics!

mannie gray

It looks virtually flawless.
Put it away and look at it again in a couple days with a 6x.
Wait until you are in a bad mood.
It's easier to find hairlines and problems when you're grouchy.
It appears that you may be a person who rarely gets grouchy though.....

airplanenut

I see a few marks and don't think the coin should 70, and it wouldn't be worth sending in. They often come with some light color and the way they are struck, and overall the set it nicely put together... I'd keep it as-is. As the pop reports bear out, the vast majority are FS, which is to be expected for the special striking. I've always been a fan of matte coins and have always found this one to be nice.

291fifth

"Know when to hold 'em.
Know when to fold 'em.
Know when to walk away.
Know when to run.
Never count your money when you're sitting at the table."

joeykoins

I just discovered the Mintage for this Set was listed 167,703. I'm surprised it is that high? The 1997 Matte Finish Set has a mintage of only 25,000! Anyway, I guess the 167,703, still in fact is kinda low. After all, the new 2020 Uncirculated Mint Set's mintage is higher. 213,000. I read that the 1994 Set had confirmed this mintage by the final sales for this Set? Is this true? Sounds like a strange way to determine the closing mintage?

Jimnight

Nice looking coins!

ricko

Good luck @joeykoins ... 70's are hard to come by.... I have about three... If you submit, and it is not a 70, try to understand why...each coin can be a learning tool.... Knowledge is power. Cheers, RickO

joeykoins

From my thinking, the only area that I'm worried about is from what some of you guys had advised, the toning. Usually, esp. In recent times, PCGS might even consider an up tic in grade for the toning alone? Oh well?

airplanenut

@joeykoins said:
From my thinking, the only area that I'm worried about is from what some of you guys had advised, the toning. Usually, esp. In recent times, PCGS might even consider an up tic in grade for the toning alone? Oh well?

You will absolutely not, ever, get a 69 coin upgraded to a 70 because it is toned. However much or little toning affects a coin's grade due to the eye appeal element, a 70 is defined specifically by a level of perfection, and no amount of toning can make up for an imperfection at that level.

@joeykoins said:
I just discovered the Mintage for this Set was listed 167,703. I'm surprised it is that high? The 1997 Matte Finish Set has a mintage of only 25,000! Anyway, I guess the 167,703, still in fact is kinda low. After all, the new 2020 Uncirculated Mint Set's mintage is higher. 213,000.

It's all about demand. Years ago I bought an 1880 proof Indian Cent. Its mintage is 3955. A 65 is worth maybe $500-1000 depending on the color designation. There are 852,500 1877 business strikes. They're worth $500-1000 in Good-VF, and maybe $10-30k in 65 depending on the color designation. People want the 1877 business strike a lot more than the 1800 proof.

crazyhounddog

I had a set like that but unfortunately I lost it in the campfire. Nice to see you have one. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Coins are fun

joeykoins

Straight from PCGS's True View pics
You're telling me these MS 70's are NOT toned?

ShaunBC5

I think what he’s saying is that 63s with pretty toning might get a 64, but 69s with pretty toning get 69s. I don’t know what yours is. Hoping for a 70 for you!

jesbroken

Unless I am wrong, and that is a possibility from photos alone. There appears to be 3 tics on the lower shoulder. I feel sure the scratch behind Jeff's head is on the plastic as it appears to have a shadow on the coin. You have to really look closely at a coin to see the tics as they may be quite small. I have never gotten a 70 from a raw coin, only via purchase. Best of luck, but I believe leaving it in folder would be the wise move.
Jim

Edited to add: Fantastic photos btw. Show us your setup someday.

Coinscratch

67 is the top pop in a business strike.
Please play again.

CoinHoarder

On July 16,1994, I received from the U.S. Mint, a 1994P Thomas Jefferson Coinage and Currency Set. It cost me $34.

On May 27, 1997, I received from the U.S. Mint, three 1997 Botanic Garden Coinage and Currency Set(s). They cost me $36. each. I carefully selected the best set of the three, and immediately sold the other two sets to a coin shop for $250. each. That was one of the very few times in my life that I sold any of my coins. These sets were hot for awhile back then.

And unlike now, in the good ole days, you had to send a money order or check through the mail and wait for the U.S. Mint to process.

I still have the money order receipt and the U.S. Mint order form letter from way back then.

I haven't dug my sets out for many years, but I know the nickels, over time, had very nice golden toning. The Botanic Garden dollar was starting to exhibit very pleasing toning as well.

On March 8, 2011, I bought the below 1994P Thomas Jefferson Coinage and Currency Set from DLRC. It cost me $59.

joeykoins

@CoinHoarder said:
On July 16,1994, I received from the U.S. Mint, a 1994P Thomas Jefferson Coinage and Currency Set. It cost me $34.

On May 27, 1997, I received from the U.S. Mint, three 1997 Botanic Garden Coinage and Currency Set(s). They cost me $36. each. I carefully selected the best set of the three, and immediately sold the other two sets to a coin shop for $250. each.

Wow. You most certainly made a pleasurable profit back then. Nice. Thanks for all that info. On the 1994 set, do you know for certain that the mintage is in the 167,000 ball park? Thanks

CoinHoarder

The 167,000 on the 1994 set sounds about right Joey. And, if I'm not mistaken, I thought initially the mintage was supposed to be lower, but they ended up producing additional sets. Not positive about that though.

airplanenut

@CoinscratchFever said:
67 is the top pop in a business strike.
Please play again.

The coin in question isn't a business strike

keets

the reverse on these 1994 SMS Nickels is almost always toned a light golden color, I see this one as a typical SP69FS.

CalifornianKing

I don't think they will go 70. For the nickel if the minor marks are on the coin and not the package it's gonna be a 68/69.

messydesk

A single modern coin submitted for a 70 is going to be met with graders looking for any reason why it should not be a 70. From the pictures, I see two tiny ticks at the edge of the bust above the initials and a diagonal scratch across the rim near the I of IN. In hand, with a 5x glass, I'd probably find more defects, but the graders will stop when they find only one. FS, but that's kind of a meaningless designation on these.

Coinscratch

@airplanenut said:

@CoinscratchFever said:
67 is the top pop in a business strike.
Please play again.

The coin in question isn't a business strike

I know, that's why I said play again. What I did not know (before this thread) was that there was a SMS of that year.
Not my series yet

joeykoins

90% Silver Dollar in the set

Coinscratch

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