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2014-W Kennedy Gold stands in My way

JonJetJonJet Posts: 74 ✭✭
edited July 12, 2020 9:32PM in PCGS Set Registry Forum

I am trying without success to understand the two points outlined below...

1) The US Mint creates Proof Sets every year...some in Clad and some in Silver..as well as other issues

I have trouble understanding the inclusion of the 2014-W Kennedy Gold coin...because it was never included in any US Mint Proof Set

Since I only prefer to collect what I considered to be US Mint Proof Sets (in both clad and silver) and do not wish or care to collect gold coins...I cannot complete several Proof Sets because the 2014-W Kennedy Gold coin has been included

I fail to conclude with any logical reason for this coin to be a part of any Proof Set...since it is not a part of a US Mint issued Proof Set...The US Mint issues many different coins throughout each year and has done so for decades...not including them as part of the yearly Proof Sets

This one single coin is standing in the way of 100% completion for several of My Proof Sets...but only should belong in Kennedy Variety Sets

If the 2014-W Kennedy Gold truly belongs...why don't the other coins issued by the US Mint that are not part of the Proof Sets for the year get included too? The Commemoratives and the Medal coins are US Mint issues...but are not included in Proof Sets...as are the numerous specialty coins issued by the US Mint

Removing the 2014-W Kennedy Gold from Proof Sets won't hurt the Old Guard set owners at the top of those Set Rankings...but it would give those collectors who yearn to complete the true and logical Proof Sets an opportunity to rise in the rankings

2) I also believe that new year issues should result in immediate Proof Set creations...and filling those slots throughout the year should count toward Completion and Ranking...so newer collectors have a small window of opportunity to climb the rankings...even if only for a short time until the Old Guard collections at the top of every list get around to upgrading...prior to the 30-day window before Awards Deadline

Why is this important?

For a very short time earlier this year...specifically on February 8, ,2020...I was ranked Number One in a specific Proof Set...because I requested a New Slot for the 2018 North American $1 Reverse Proof (and for nearly 200 additional slots since then)

Being able to see My username sitting all alone at #1 for that Set...after just 40 days as a member of Set Registry...was all the incentive I needed to continue My quest for 100% completion on a journey to 100% perfection - and although I was the FIRST to complete it My set has fallen down the rankings because someone (several dozen of them) began registering their collection before I did

The future of Set Registry lies with younger and newer collectors...since in time the Old Guard sets at the top will fade away as the owners pass away - but if new collectors do not see a clear path they will not bother...and Set Registry may follow the Old Guard into history

I have seen and experienced Set Leader status...a feeling of being On Top Of The World...if only for a short time

I can only hope every new collector sees that path for themselves

Comments

  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,400 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I understand your position, but here are some quick thoughts...

    Is the 2014-W gold coin a half dollar??? Yes...

    Is it a proof coin??? Yes...

    Coins of different metals are often included in the same set... whether it is 90% silver... 40% silver... copper-nickel clad... and now .999 silver with the new silver proofs. The 2014-W is just another Kennedy of a different metal... gold.

    There are many coins that are no longer part of the proof and mint sets issued by the US Mint (and I don't like this). All of the innovation dollars for example. Another example are the S-Mint quarters and the W-Mint quarters. Those are certainly part of a full set of coins in each series or a full set of US coins... doesn't matter if they are in the Mint Set... Same with some of the early Ike Dollars, they weren't in the sets from the Mint either... but certainly part of the Registry sets today.

    Of course just a few things to consider and I think this is a controversial area that isn't treated the same in each series. I would think having a separate sets w/ and w/o issues like the 2014-W gold would be appropriate.

    Similarly... the 2016-W gold Mercury Dime, SLQ and Walking Half could be argued to be part of the original sets by some (legally they are the same denomination and design, just a different metal composition)... but I would guess many collectors of those classic series wouldn't want to include those.

    Always collect what you like... not what someone else (the Mint or PCGS) tells you what needs to be in your set... that is why I think having more set options would be the best thing here... include it for those that want to include it.

    Good luck.

  • coinpalicecoinpalice Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i had 2 - 2014-W Kennedy gold coins i bought directly from the mint, i got them both graded from the host, one come back 69 and the other 70. it took a very long time to sell them both, maybe like 3 months, both at fixed price auctions. i remember what a relief it was to sell them, now i wish i had them both back with the current price of gold

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 3,400 ✭✭✭✭✭

    since the coin was sold alone, I do not feel it should be in any set

    the 'same logic' would include the gold mercury, SLQ, and WLH in the 2016 sets and their respective series... are they?

  • JonJetJonJet Posts: 74 ✭✭
    edited July 13, 2020 8:51AM

    @davewesen said:
    since the coin was sold alone, I do not feel it should be in any set

    the 'same logic' would include the gold mercury, SLQ, and WLH in the 2016 sets and their respective series... are they?

    Perhaps as part of a Kennedy Variety Set - but any logical reason to include it in the 2014 Proof Set is something I cannot understand

    Would the same logic mean that the Silver Eagles need to be part of the Proof Sets too?

  • JonJetJonJet Posts: 74 ✭✭
    edited November 20, 2020 4:58AM

    PCGS advises that the Gold Kennedy is "special" by some standard...and will remain in the 2014 Proof Set

    Therefore...those at PCGS who have "special" designation authority should also consider each and every commemorative and medal coin ever issued as part of that yearly Proof Set too

    And the new basketball dollars need a place in the 2020 Proof Set !!

    Just WHO is PCGS to decide what is special or not special with regard to US Mint coins authorized by the United States Congress? Do they have a special designation that allows them to override the US Government? Perhaps they have permission from the Universal Overlord and Galactic Supreme Court?

    If it is called a Proof Set - it should follow that only coins included in the yearly Proof Set from the US Mint be included...and anything else belongs in a denomination or variety set

  • From 1983-1997 the US Mint issued a series known as the Prestige Proof Sets in an effort to bolster the commemorative and medal coinage

    No Set Registry Proof Set between 1983-1997 contains those comm/medal coins - yet the non-inclusion of the 2014 Kennedy Gold in the US Mint 2014 Proof Set somehow qualifies it for inclusion in the Set Registry 2014 Proof Set

    "It's a special coin" doesn't really explain

  • @JonJet if you have questions about a set or suggestions we would encourage you to contact the Set Registry team directly at [email protected] they also have a dedicated number which is 877-888-1318.

  • JonJetJonJet Posts: 74 ✭✭
    edited November 21, 2020 1:27PM

    @PCGS_SocialMedia said:
    @JonJet if you have questions about a set or suggestions we would encourage you to contact the Set Registry team directly at [email protected] they also have a dedicated number which is 877-888-1318.

    I have submitted My concerns...with little to no valid answers or explanations other than rejection

    I'll continue to point out flaws and errors where coin slots have been added/refused so the PCGS Membership can make up there own minds - as You may see from earlier posts by others...I am not alone in this quest for equal treatment

  • JonJetJonJet Posts: 74 ✭✭

    Here's another bit of Proof Set history...

    In 1971 and 1972...the US Mint Proof Sets were 5 coins

    In 1973...the US Mint added the Eisenhauer Dollar to the Proof Set

    Why are the 1971/1972 Eisenhauer Dollars required? They were NOT part of the US Mint-issued Proof Set!

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Were Eisenhower proofs sold by the Mint in 1971?

    If the answer is yes, then they need to be included in the Registry set composition that is for all US proofs minted in 1971.

    How the proof coins were sold individually, in 2 coin, or 5 coin sets, etc. is irrelevant.

    National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/195526

  • JonJetJonJet Posts: 74 ✭✭
    edited November 23, 2020 6:01PM

    @Goldminers said:
    Were Eisenhower proofs sold by the Mint in 1971?

    If the answer is yes, then they need to be included in the Registry set composition that is for all US proofs minted in 1971.

    How the proof coins were sold individually, in 2 coin, or 5 coin sets, etc. is irrelevant.

    OK...so using Your reasoning...all the proof coins minted during the year should be part of the Proof Set?

    What about the Silver Eagles? They are Proof coins

    Point is...the 71 and 72 Eisenhauer's were NOT part of the US Mint's Proof Set...starting in 1973 they were included

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Silver eagles are considered by most to be a bullion coin, compared to the Eisenhower series.

    Totally agree with you the 71-72 Eisenhower's were not sold as a Proof set. but they are considered 1971 proof coins by convention. I am simply trying to explain to you why they are included in the 1971 proof registry set. There was a reason for doing it.

    Maybe there could be a new Registry set created that meets your specific criteria of just "as issued" proof sets, but there seem to be a lot of sets to manage for modern proofs already.

    National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/195526

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