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I Bought an 1804 Large Cent for $72 - Question Added

AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited June 30, 2020 2:19PM in U.S. Coin Forum

From an eBay seller who had it listed as an 1804. I was skeptical at first but I've since convinced myself that the attribution was actually correct. The berry configuration seems right. Feel free to convince me of my error...

Anyway, whilst this particular coin clearly violates my "readily attributable" rule, it does comply with my "under $200, if possible" rule. For an 1804, I was going to have to give one way or the other...


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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The reverse is very compelling. I can't make out anything on the obverse.
    Lance.

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    EdHayesEdHayes Posts: 39 ✭✭

    I must have great eyes-- I can see the full Liberty bust, the ribbon in the hair and all four digits of "1804" (albeit very light)

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    AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkeigwin said:
    Not my best animation. But maybe okay. Made to compare with my low grade, but real, 1804.
    Lance.

    That’s much better than “okay”!

    Smitten with DBLCs.

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    HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ikeigwin, yes, that is an amazing overlay; very convincing!

    Higashiyama
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is there any attribution for the counterstamp?? I have not seen that one before... Cheers, RickO

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    AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @EdHayes said:
    I must have great eyes-- I can see the full Liberty bust, the ribbon in the hair and all four digits of "1804" (albeit very light)

    I can see those details, as well but I'm afraid my vision is somewhat augmented by my imagination!

    Smitten with DBLCs.

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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkeigwin Excellent support to a fellow forum member @Aotearoa.

    215 y/o coin and looks like a good deal @Aotearoa.

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    AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hemispherical said:
    @lkeigwin Excellent support to a fellow forum member @Aotearoa.

    Spot on!

    Smitten with DBLCs.

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    gonzergonzer Posts: 2,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkeigwin said:
    Not my best animation. But maybe okay. Made to compare with my low grade, but real, 1804.
    Lance.

    Your technical skills never cease to amaze.

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    hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool overlay.

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    AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Setting aside whether it would make economic sense, what are the chances of getting this coin into a PCGS holder with an 1804 date on it? Do you suppose it would be useful to provide a link to @Ikeigwin 's awesome overlay? Thanks.

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    oldUScoinsoldUScoins Posts: 232 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 30, 2020 3:11PM

    Think of all the places that coin has been!

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oldUScoins said:
    Think of all the places that coin has been!

    I"m not sure I want to....... :o

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    toyz4geotoyz4geo Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oldUScoins said:
    Think of all the places that coin has been!

    And who has spent it at one time or another.

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,937 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The counterstamp is interesting and has obviously been on the coin for a very long time. I'd try to find out more about the counterstamp before sending it to be graded/authenticated.

    All glory is fleeting.
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    thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What did you use ? Nic-a date ? ;)

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    AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thebeav said:
    What did you use ? Nic-a date ? ;)

    That would have to be "Cop-A-Date", right?

    Smitten with DBLCs.

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    jedmjedm Posts: 2,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 30, 2020 6:12PM

    In looking at examples in my collection and online the berry configuration with the letter E in ONE and the second berry is in the same position as an 1803 which had a mintage of over 3 million coins whereas the 1804 had a reported mintage of 96,000. As far as the date being legible I can see nothing, so the reverse is what I have been trying to compare. One other diagnostic is to check the alignment of the 0 in the date (which may be visible to you) and the O in the OF on the reverse, they should be aligned on a genuine 1804. Fingers crossed that the alignment is there!

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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Aotearoa said:

    @lkeigwin said:
    Not my best animation. But maybe okay. Made to compare with my low grade, but real, 1804.
    Lance.

    That’s much better than “okay”!

    Great overlay!

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    REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At this point I would have to send it in for authentication. Getting a "Poor Details" holder is all that's needed to celebrate your find.

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    AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @REALGATOR said:
    At this point I would have to send it in for authentication. Getting a "Poor Details" holder is all that's needed to celebrate your find.

    That’s exactly what I’d be shooting for but I have no feel for how hard the grader may work the problem. They could, for example, think, “This will be fun. Let’s see if we can confirm the date.” On the other hand, the thought process might be, “There’s no way I can confirm the date in the time I’m allotted; into the body bag you go...”

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