Below are 13 of the best athletes to never win a championship please rank them 1-13.

MLBdaysMLBdays Posts: 632 ✭✭✭✭✭

Ted Williams, Charles Barkley, Dan Marino, Karl Malone, Ty Cobb, Ken Griffey, Dick Butkus, Barry Bonds, Barry Sanders, Ernie Banks, Randy Moss, Tony Gwynn, Elgin Baylor....

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 18,944 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2019 4:08AM

    Super tough. My stab

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    1) Williams
    2) Cobb
    3) Sanders
    4) Marino
    5) Bonds
    6) Griffey Jr
    7) Banks
    8) Butkus
    9) Malone
    10) Baylor
    11) Gwynn
    12) Barkley
    13) Moss

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭✭

    tough to make that list. I will do it by sport as it is just too hard to accurately compare across sports.
    Baseball: Football basketball
    1 Bonds 1. Marino 1 malone
    2 williams 2 Sanders 2 baylor
    3 cobb 3 butkus 3 Barkley
    4 griffey 4 moss
    5 banks
    6 gwynn

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 18,689 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2019 5:31AM

    Williams, Sanders top my list. The rest can go in any order, it’s tough to rationalize which guy was more talented in regards to the next guy since it’s different sports. 1-Williams 2 Sanders 3 Marino 4 Cobb 5 Butkus 6 Barkley 7 Malone 8 Bonds 9 Griffey 10 Moss 11 Gwynn 12 Banks 13 Baylor

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To Perk's point. We cannot agree on who the best QB or running back or (yikes) third baseman.

    To cross sports and eras is impossible. Of course that has never stopped us. I'll rate mine though as quality of character...at least as I perceive them.

    1. Sanders
    2. Banks
    3. Marino
    4. Griffey
    5. Gwynn
    6. Butkus
    7. Williams
    8. Malone
    9. Cobb
    10. Moss
    11. Bonds
    12. Barkley

    Would only be guessing with Baylor.

  • MLBdaysMLBdays Posts: 632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2019 9:55AM

    @Coinstartled .....I'd have to put Marino a little lower...I grew up in Miami, (Coral Gables) in the Marino Era.... his facade nationally much better than reality....he publicly paid a woman for a child out of wedlock 5-7 years ago (you could certainly google it) and he played around much more than that ...I'd be shocked if one child out of wedlock was all he had to be perfectly honest with you.....He was a tremendous QB and I certainly had him up there with Superman.... he is not the friendliest individual either but has stuck to his family through it all to his credit and his wife Claire. IF we are going by character children out of wedlock crosses my line IMO. I'd certainly put Griffey and Gwynn above him at the very least.

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you MLB. Pre internet athletes had it easy as the off field life was mostly private.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭✭

    I didnt know character was a qualifier

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2019 10:24AM

    @craig44 said:
    I didnt know character was a qualifier

    Next time we can do shoe size.

    I had no way to rate Randy Moss vs Ty Cobb on talent, so took another angle.

  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:

    @craig44 said:
    I didnt know character was a qualifier

    Next time we can do shoe size.

    I had no way to rate Randy Moss vs Ty Cobb on talent, so took another angle.

    Moss was no better than Cobb. Maybe reverse them on the list but that is about it.

  • garnettstylegarnettstyle Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭

    Bonds
    Williams
    Cobb
    Marino
    Sanders
    Griffey
    Gwynn

    the rest

    IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED

  • garnettstylegarnettstyle Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭

    Did Allen Iverson win a championship?

    IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 18,689 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @garnettstyle said:
    Did Allen Iverson win a championship?

    Good Call, I don’t believe he did

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 5,356 ✭✭✭✭

    Killebrew is better than a few of the stiffs mentioned.

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  • nam812nam812 Posts: 9,380 ✭✭✭

    Somewhere Patrick Ewing looks at that list to see his name, and weeps.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 18,689 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nam812 said:
    Somewhere Patrick Ewing looks at that list to see his name, and weeps.

    Whoa! First Matt and now a Nick sighting??? Welcome back bro!!! 🍻

  • nam812nam812 Posts: 9,380 ✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    @nam812 said:
    Somewhere Patrick Ewing looks at that list to see his name, and weeps.

    Whoa! First Matt and now a Nick sighting??? Welcome back bro!!! 🍻

    Thanks Paul. Now let's get some perkies up in here.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 18,689 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nam812 said:

    @perkdog said:

    @nam812 said:
    Somewhere Patrick Ewing looks at that list to see his name, and weeps.

    Whoa! First Matt and now a Nick sighting??? Welcome back bro!!! 🍻

    Thanks Paul. Now let's get some perkies up in here.

    Haha I’m gonna have to look into that, I got a “Not messing around” type PM from a fella ordering me to take it down years ago, not sure if he is still lurking around 😳. Glad your back man!

  • nam812nam812 Posts: 9,380 ✭✭✭

    Thanks Paul, me too. Yeah the perkies were just a blast from the past, don't get in trouble.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 18,944 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nam812 said:
    Thanks Paul, me too. Yeah the perkies were just a blast from the past, don't get in trouble.

    The perkies are why I visited this forum

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  • nam812nam812 Posts: 9,380 ✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:

    @nam812 said:
    Thanks Paul, me too. Yeah the perkies were just a blast from the past, don't get in trouble.

    The perkies are why I visited this forum

    Come for the perkies, and stay for the sports talk. lol

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 5,356 ✭✭✭✭

    Hilarious that one single person would put Bonds above Williams or Cobb...............unbelievable!

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  • CoinstartledCoinstartled Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:
    Hilarious that one single person would put Bonds above Williams or Cobb...............unbelievable!

    Craig sort of has him on to too.

    In fairness the OP does not specify the criteria for the ranking.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    Hilarious that one single person would put Bonds above Williams or Cobb...............unbelievable!

    Makes ya wanna PUKE!

    was there a qualifier in the OP that I missed?

  • EstilEstil Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭

    Who are some of the other great MLB non-Cub players besides Griffey who never appeared in the WS?

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    @JoeBanzai said:
    Hilarious that one single person would put Bonds* above Williams or Cobb...............unbelievable!

    Fixed for ya :blush:

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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 5,356 ✭✭✭✭

    @Coinstartled said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    Hilarious that one single person would put Bonds above Williams or Cobb...............unbelievable!

    Craig sort of has him on to too.

    In fairness the OP does not specify the criteria for the ranking.

    Just look at the numbers, Williams had ONE year OPS below 1.000 and that was a short year at the end of his career.

    I'll give you that Bonds was a sure HOFer before he juiced, but even with the steroids he's NOT better than Ted Williams.

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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 5,356 ✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @Coinstartled said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    Hilarious that one single person would put Bonds above Williams or Cobb...............unbelievable!

    Craig sort of has him on to too.

    In fairness the OP does not specify the criteria for the ranking.

    Just look at the numbers, Williams had ONE year OPS below 1.000 and that was a short year at the end of his career.

    I'll give you that Bonds was a sure HOFer before he juiced, but even with the steroids he's NOT better than Ted Williams.

    Bonds isn't better than anybody........even Chris Davis is better!

    I'm not going THAT far. if my numbers are correct (they often aren't) Bonds'
    hr per AB was 15.69 after 10 full seasons of hitting.

    He was at 22.22 for years 1-5 and did lower the number to a very good (but not great) 12.76 for years 5-10.

    Year 15 he was at 6.52. No one does that without help.

    Barry was (in my mind) going to be in the GOAT discussion as an all around player before he cheated. Even if you don't care about a guy cheating, you can't really figure how good he was without "help".

    Too bad really. I HATE to see him at the top of so many categories, he just doesn't belong there imo.

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  • garnettstylegarnettstyle Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭
    edited April 17, 2019 12:58AM

    Bonds was also a better defensive player than Williams and Cobb.

    IT CAN'T BE A TRUE PLAYOFF UNLESS THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONS ARE INCLUDED

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 5,356 ✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Bonds was and is a Dirt Bag of the worst kind!! He shouldn't be on any list except the Dirt Bag Scum Bag list which he should be #1!

    WOW! A bit harsh, Pete would be up there too, although you prolly won't agree.

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  • RedglobeRedglobe Posts: 372 ✭✭✭

    For the very limited NASCAR fans out there Mark Martin comes to mind....

    Rob
  • craig44craig44 Posts: 3,303 ✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Bonds was and is a Dirt Bag of the worst kind!! He shouldn't be on any list except the Dirt Bag Scum Bag list which he should be #1!

    WOW! A bit harsh, Pete would be up there too, although you prolly won't agree.

    Pete was/is also a Dirt Bag personally, but not as bad as Bonds. The difference between Rose and Bonds is that Rose got all of his stats honestly without help from drugs. Pete deserves all of his stats and should be in the HOF as the All Time Hits Leader. He was on the team called "The Big Red Machine", which is my favorite Baseball team of all time.

    How do you know rose didn't use PEDs? Steroids and other PED were certainly prevalent in the 1970's-80's

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 5,356 ✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Bonds was and is a Dirt Bag of the worst kind!! He shouldn't be on any list except the Dirt Bag Scum Bag list which he should be #1!

    WOW! A bit harsh, Pete would be up there too, although you prolly won't agree.

    Pete was/is also a Dirt Bag personally, but not as bad as Bonds. The difference between Rose and Bonds is that Rose got all of his stats honestly without help from drugs. Pete deserves all of his stats and should be in the HOF as the All Time Hits Leader. He was on the team called "The Big Red Machine", which is my favorite Baseball team of all time.

    Betting on baseball and having sex with VERY young girls, pretty bad. Bonds is bad as well.

    Neither should ever get in the HOF as far as I am concerned.

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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 5,356 ✭✭✭✭

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @DIMEMAN said:
    Bonds was and is a Dirt Bag of the worst kind!! He shouldn't be on any list except the Dirt Bag Scum Bag list which he should be #1!

    WOW! A bit harsh, Pete would be up there too, although you prolly won't agree.

    Pete was/is also a Dirt Bag personally, but not as bad as Bonds. The difference between Rose and Bonds is that Rose got all of his stats honestly without help from drugs. Pete deserves all of his stats and should be in the HOF as the All Time Hits Leader. He was on the team called "The Big Red Machine", which is my favorite Baseball team of all time.

    Betting on baseball and having sex with VERY young girls, pretty bad. Bonds is bad as well.

    Neither should ever get in the HOF as far as I am concerned.

    We will just have to agree to disagree on this. I believe Rose earned his stats and earned his way into the HOF based on his performances as a player.

    We ALL believe this. However he became a manager and broke the #1 rule in baseball.

    Had he retired away from the game and been a dirtball, I would be in total agreement with you, LOVED him as a player.

    You just can't break the number one taboo thing and expect to get off.

    Remember he AGREED to the ban.

    Pete is arguably better off with his banishment, he is probably making more money because of the controversy.

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  • keetskeets Posts: 21,180 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would ask Craig what his rational is for placing Barry Bonds ahead of Ted Williams and Ty Cobb??


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  • breakdownbreakdown Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭

    Williams
    Sanders
    Griffey
    Moss
    Marino
    Butkus
    Banks
    Baylor
    Barkley
    Gwynn
    Malone

    Leaving Cobb and Bonds off the list -- Cobb is so long ago who knows and Bonds is hard to compare to anyone (except Roger Clemens who also had two careers - one pre-roids and one post-roids).

    I think Moss was spectacular -- the only guys on the list that can compare in pure awesome talent are Williams, Sanders and Griffey.

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