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BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 4, 2020 9:18AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Note: The Commem and Print set announcement here: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12403591/#Comment_12403591

For the first time in my failing memory, the Mint is offering both commemoratives this year in all three denominations with special sets. Thus, the commemorative product codes this year stretch from 19CA to 19CR. (There is no 19CI or 19CO, probably so no one confuses them with 19C1(one) and 10C0(zero).)

The law authorizing these commemoratives is Public Law 115–65 (pdf).

Edit: All web pages (except for the coin and medal set) has been populated.
There is a HHL of 1 across all products. These limits will be lifted March15 @ Noon.
All prices are introductory pricing. They will go up $5 at the end of thirty days from the start of sales.

All images courtesy of the U.S. Mint.

Gold:

There is a mintage of 50,000 across all three gold options. These will still use 90% gold stock.

Price will be dependent on spot:

Avg SpotProofUncirc3-Coin Set
$1200-$1249$406.50$396.50$472.00
$1250-$1299$418.75$408.75$484.25current price range
$1300-$1349$431.00$421.00$496.50

(Table reflects introductory pricing.)

2019 American Legion 100th Anniversary $5 proof gold (19CJ)

2019 American Legion 100th Anniversary $5 uncirculated gold (19CK)

Silver:

There is a mintage limit of 400,000 coins across all four product offerings. Like the Apollo commemoratives, these will be offered in .999.

2019 American Legion 100th Anniversary $1 proof silver (19CL)
The initial price will be $54.95.

2019 American Legion 100th Anniversary $1 uncirculated silver (19CM)
The initial price will be $51.95.

Clad:

There is a mintage limit of 750,000 coins across all three product offerings. These are standard 8.3% nickel/balance copper clads.

2019 American Legion 100th Anniversary 50¢ proof clad (19CN)
The initial price will be $27.95.

2019 American Legion 100th Anniversary 50¢ uncirculated clad (19CP)
The initial price will be $25.95.

Sets:

There will be two sets. The 3-Coin Proof set has the same release date as the other commems (March 14). The coin and medal set has a TBD release date.

The 3-Coin proof set will be your standard gold/silver/clad set. There is a 7,500 product limit.

The American Legion 100th Anniversary 2019 Three-Coin Proof Set (19CR)
No pricing available, yet. The three coin set is not listed in the PM schedule.

There will also be a Coin and Medal set, a proof silver dollar and an American Veterans Medal, which will probably be struck on an ASE blank. (There is no American Veterans Medal on the product schedule, so the only way to get the medal may be to buy the set, much like the WWI medals last year. You might want to keep that in mind if you're going to buy the silver proof and want the medal.)

The Coin and Medal set has a TBD release date. There are no images of the medal yet.

American Legion 100th Anniversary 2019 Silver Dollar and American Veterans Medal Set (19CQ)

Finally, I really like the eagle on the $5 reverse, but probably not $400+ worth of like. I could be wrong, but I think these will be take off sale at the end of the year without selling out. The coin and medal set could do well if there's a low product limit, but it would probably have to be a really low product limit...

Edit: The Coin and Medal set will be made available May 20, 2019. See this post.

I'll update this page when more information warrants.

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    BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 21, 2019 4:10PM

    Sales data courtesy of the US Mint.

    2019 American Legion Commemoratives
    DateSoldIncreaseSoldIncreaseComment
    $5 Gold Proof (19CJ)$5 Gold Unc (19CK)
    3/15/2019906972First day sales
    3/17/20191,2391,2391,1991,199Gold Price: $418.75/$408.75
    3/24/20191,5753361,601402Gold Price: $431/$421
    3/31/20191,656811,66766Gold Price: $431/$421
    4/7/20191,9933371,74679Gold Price: $418.75/$408.75
    4/14/20192,1111181,863117Gold Price: $423.75/$413.75
    4/21/20192,153421,91754Gold Price: $423.75/$413.75
    4/28/20192,184311,93619Gold Price: $423.75/$413.75
    5/5/20192,3121281,94711Gold Price: $423.75/$413.75
    5/12/20192,331191,96619Gold Price: $423.75/$413.75
    5/19/20192,351201,99327Gold Price: $423.75/$413.75
    5/26/20192,400492,01926Gold Price: $423.75/$413.75
    6/2/20192,422222,03314Gold Price: $423.75/$413.75
    6/9/20192,462402,09764Gold Price: $436.00/$426.00
    6/16/20192,495332,11518Gold Price: $436.00/$426.00
    6/23/20192,508132,13419Gold Price: $448.25/$438.25
    6/30/20192,522142,15117Gold Price: $448.25/$438.25
    7/7/20192,545232,16918Gold Price: $448.25/$438.25
    7/14/20192,562172,18516Gold Price: $460.50/$450.50
    7/21/20192,56972,1938Gold Price: $460.50/$450.50
    7/28/20192,57782,20512Gold Price: $460.50/$450.50
    8/4/20192,604272,21914Gold Price: $460.50/$450.50
    8/11/20192,628242,24425Gold Price: $472.75/$462.75
    8/18/20192,643152,25814Gold Price: $485.00/$475.00
    $1 Silver Proof(19CL)$1 Silver Unc(19CM)
    3/15/20199,8394,678First day sales
    3/17/201913,79913,7996,1346,134
    3/24/201918,2394,4407,3681,234
    3/31/201919,8621,6237,993625
    4/7/201922,3632,5018,662669
    4/14/201924,4452,0829,517855
    4/21/201925,2648199,929412
    4/28/201925,74948510,071142
    5/5/201926,24449510,190119
    5/12/201926,54029610,300110
    5/19/201926,94840810,457157
    5/26/201927,78884010,768311
    6/2/201928,12333511,075307
    6/9/201928,48736411,189114
    6/16/201928,78830111,290101
    6/23/201928,98820011,414124
    6/30/201929,15917111,47056
    7/7/201929,34919011,54272
    7/14/201929,54619711,60866
    7/21/201929,82728111,66961
    7/28/201930,13330611,74172
    8/4/201930,37324011,83998
    8/11/201930,83746411,91374
    8/18/201931,03119412,00188
    50¢ Clad Proof (19CN)50¢ Clad Unc (19CP)
    3/15/20197,2445,454First day sales
    3/17/20199,1469,1467,0397,039
    3/24/201910,7181,5727,889850
    3/31/201911,5628448,387498
    4/7/201912,4799178,979592
    4/14/201913,8651,3869,558579
    4/21/201914,3925279,796238
    4/28/201914,5741829,279-517
    5/5/201914,6771039,33657
    5/12/201914,7771009,40468
    5/19/201914,9351589,521117
    5/26/201915,2633289,716195
    6/2/201915,4061439,78266
    6/9/201915,5431379,85775
    6/16/201915,6821399,92063
    6/23/201915,7981169,94727
    6/30/201915,864669,98235
    7/7/201915,9518710,01533
    7/14/201916,0095810,05035
    7/21/201916,0827310,09444
    7/28/201916,1516910,13945
    8/4/201916,2196810,18849
    8/11/201917,05083110,22133
    8/18/201917,1207010,25029
    3-Coin Proof (19CR)Coin and Medal set (19CQ)
    3/15/20193,526On sale May 20First day sales
    3/17/20194,5124,5123 Coin: $489.25/Backordered
    3/24/20195,1526403 Coin: $501.50/Backordered
    3/31/20195,4382863 Coin: $501.50/Backordered
    4/7/20195,6672293 Coin: $489.25/Backordered
    4/14/20196,0123453 Coin: $494.25
    4/21/20196,2142023 Coin: $494.25
    4/28/20196,287733 Coin: $494.25
    5/5/20196,347603 Coin: $494.25
    5/12/20196,403563 Coin: $494.25
    5/19/20196,463603 Coin: $494.25
    5/26/20196,548857,4127,4123 Coin: $494.25
    6/2/20196,612648,4661,0543 Coin: $494.25
    6/9/20196,673619,0605943 Coin: $501.50
    6/16/20196,737649,3542943 Coin: $501.50
    6/23/20196,772359,6653113 Coin: $513.75
    6/30/20196,815439,8641993 Coin: $513.75
    7/7/20196,844299,921573 Coin: $513.75/C&M set CU
    7/14/20196,877339,920-13 Coin: $526.00/C&M set CU
    7/21/20196,912359,888-323 Coin: $526.00/C&M set CU
    7/28/20196,936249,882-63 Coin: $526.00/C&M set CU
    8/4/20196,977419,880-23 Coin: $526.00/C&M set CU
    8/11/20197,014379,88663 Coin: $538.25/C&M set CU
    8/18/20197,032189,88603 Coin: $550.50/C&M set CU
    Introductory pricing ended 4/15/2019.
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    drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭

    I like the $5 gold! I'm in.

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,673 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wondering why the poppy flower was not included somewhere on the obv or rev of any of the designs. Acorns are okay but. Peace Roy

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    WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another military commemorative.

    :)

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    ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in! :#

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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in for one of each, in a set if offered, possible duplicate a single if it's the only way to get a special silver medal.
    These could be the best Mint Au & Ag designs for 2019.

    @BackroadJunkie - Nice thread to follow thoughts by forum members on this Mint offering - AS USUAL !


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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2019 10:27AM

    I have been looking forward to these comms. Thanks @BackroadJunkie!

    From the 14 Nov 2018 CCAC on the American Veterans Medal. http://news.coinupdate.com/for-u-s-military-veterans-a-silver-medal-from-a-grateful-nation/

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    RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2019 1:11PM

    Disney folks would do better. I recall the commemorative designed by Tiffany & Co.... much better than most of the timid Mint works.

    PS: Former Director of the Mint Abram Piatt Andrew was one of the founders of the American Legion in France.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am a Legion member and will likely get the proof/medal set....Cheers, RickO

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    batumibatumi Posts: 797 ✭✭✭✭

    @BackroadJunkie said:
    For the first time in my failing memory, the Mint is offering both commemoratives this year in all three denominations with special sets. Thus, the commemorative product codes this year stretch from 19CA to 19CR. (There is no 19CI or 19CO, probably so no one confuses them with 19C1(one) and 10C0(zero).)

    The law authorizing these commemoratives is Public Law 115–65 (pdf).

    No prices or HHL's available yet.

    I'm setting up the page, since the Mint has posted the images to their image library. (That, and I'm uploading a file and I've got a crap upload pipe.) The links will take you to unpopulated Mint pages. All images courtesy of the U.S. Mint.

    Gold:

    There is a mintage of 50,000 across all three gold options. These will still use 90% gold stock.

    2019 American Legion 100th Anniversary $5 proof gold (19CJ)

    2019 American Legion 100th Anniversary $5 uncirculated gold (19CK)

    Silver:

    There is a mintage limit of 400,000 coins across all four product offerings. Like the Apollo commemoratives, these will be offered in .999.

    2019 American Legion 100th Anniversary $1 proof silver (19CL)

    2019 American Legion 100th Anniversary $1 uncirculated silver (19CM)

    Clad:

    There is a mintage limit of 750,000 coins across all three product offerings. These are standard 8.3% nickel/balance copper clads.

    2019 American Legion 100th Anniversary 50¢ proof clad (19CN)

    2019 American Legion 100th Anniversary 50¢ uncirculated clad (19CP)

    Sets:

    There will be two sets. The 3-Coin Proof set has the same release date as the other commems (March 14). The coin and medal set has a TBD release date.

    There will probably be product limits on these sets, but... no info yet...

    I assume the 3-Coin proof set will be your standard gold/silver/clad set.

    The American Legion 100th Anniversary 2019 Three-Coin Proof Set (19CR)

    There will also be a Coin and Medal set, a proof silver dollar and an American Veterans Medal, which will probably be struck on an ASE blank. (There is no American Veterans Medal on the product schedule, so the only way to get the medal may be to buy the set, much like the WWI medals last year. You might want to keep that in mind if you're going to buy the silver proof and want the medal.)

    The Coin and Medal set has a TBD release date. There are no images of the medal yet.

    American Legion 100th Anniversary 2019 Silver Dollar and American Veterans Medal Set (19CQ)

    Finally, I really like the eagle on the $5 reverse, but probably not $400+ worth of like. I could be wrong, but I think these will be take off sale at the end of the year without selling out. The coin and medal set could do well if there's a low product limit, but it would probably have to be a really low product limit...

    I'll update this page when the Mint populates the web pages.

    Decent designs-I agree with the OP on the eagle on the gold-really attractive rendition. I will likely be in for the gold ones, though I will wait to purchas in the secondary market.

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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158085835554409&id=520719408&tn=%2As%2AsH-R

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    American Legion National Commander Brett Reistad holds an American Legion 100th anniversary commemorative coin Thursday during a ceremonial striking at the U.S. Mint in Philadelphia. Photo by Lucas Carter/The American Legion

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    Mint hosts first strike of American Legion commemorative coin
    By Matt Grills
    JAN 31, 2019

    The first American Legion commemorative coins came off the press Thursday during a ceremonial striking at the U.S. Mint in Philadelphia.

    "As we reflect on our legacy of support to our nation's veterans, servicemembers and their families in patriotic communities everywhere, these coins are lasting and timeless expressions of the service and values The American Legion holds dear," National Commander Brett Reistad said.

    "I am proud that all surcharges received from sales of American Legion commemorative coins will help us continue to fulfill our mission. Whether it is delivering hope in a time of need, advocating for veterans benefits, giving college scholarships to our nation's youth or providing much-needed assistance to veterans, servicemembers and their families, The American Legion will be there."

    Set to go on sale March 14, coinciding with The American Legion's 100th birthday, the silver dollar pays tribute to the organization's Paris founding. The coin's heads side, or obverse, is designed by Paul Balan and features the American Legion emblem surrounded by oak leaves and a lily. The reverse side is designed by Patricia Lucas-Morris and has crossed U.S. and American Legion flags under a fleur-de-lis, with the dates 1919-2019 and the inscription 100 YEARS OF SERVICE.

    Following remarks by Reistad and David Croft, the Mint's associate director of manufacturing, the commander stepped up to a German-made Gräbener coinage press to feed in a 1-ounce pure silver blank, an inch and a half in diameter. It was struck three times by the coinage dies, with a striking pressure of roughly 190 tons per strike.

    "Every day across America, the Mint connects Americans through coins, and it is our great privilege to connect America to the legacy of the nation's largest wartime veterans service organization," Croft said. "We hope you will be as pleased with these coins as we are."

    Past National Commanders Denise Rohan and David Rehbein joined Reistad at the first strike, along with National Adjutant Daniel Wheeler, Marketing Commission Chairman James Rohan, Past Pennsylvania Department Commander Paul Kennedy and American Legion Auxiliary National President Kathy Dungan.

    Also present were former House Veterans' Affairs Committee chairman Steve Buyer, R-Ind., and former U.S. Rep. Chet Edwards, D-Texas, who in 2017 rallied their congressional colleagues to support H.R. 2519, known as the American Legion 100th Anniversary Commemorative Coin Act.

    "The overwhelming support for this legislation was an incredible testament to the respect that The American Legion has in our country, among Republicans, Democrats, independents, people from all walks of life," Edwards said. "To pass this bill was a way we could say 'thank you' to the Legion for the positive influence it's had on our nation."

    "Today, in the same place where our country was founded, we get to honor an organization that has taken those values of our founding fathers and carried them forward into the 21st century."

    In addition to the American Legion silver dollar, the Mint will sell a $5 gold piece and a clad half-dollar. The gold coin's obverse is designed by Chris Costello, and features the Eiffel Tower and a V for Victory in World War I, with LIBERTY and 1919-2019 encircled by the outer ring of the Legion's emblem. The reverse side, designed by Paul Balan, has a soaring bald eagle and the American Legion emblem.

    The clad coin is designed by Richard Masters; the heads side depicts two children, one wearing her father's American Legion cap, reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, while the reverse shows a billowing U.S. flag and American Legion emblem above the words ... OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

    Passed by Congress on Oct. 6, 2017, Public Law 115-65 allows the Mint to strike and issue 50,000 of the gold coins, 400,000 of the silver dollars and 750,000 of the half-dollars.

    "We all want to leave a legacy," Rehbein said. "These coins are an outstanding symbol of an individual's legacy, as to what they accomplished as part of The American Legion. It's not just what The American Legion accomplished; it's what Legionnaires accomplished. We don't do things as a large mass. We do them as individuals. I'd like to see people buy a coin, maybe a set, to pass along to their families as a reminder of what we've achieved as Legionnaires."

    The American Legion 100th Anniversary Commemorative Coin Act had broad support on Capitol Hill. The House version of the bill had 385 cosponsors -- more than any other coin bill authorized in the past decade.

    "The American Legion, I think, represents the fabric of America," Buyer said. "My grandfather was a charter member of a post in Francesville, Ind., when he returned from World War I, and my parents dedicated their lives to The American Legion. My mother was a past president of the Auxiliary in Indiana, and my father was a district commander.

    "Having a coin to commemorate its 100th anniversary is an opportunity for the Legion to look back and say, 'What is the impact we've had on the nation? Have we served the ideals of the charter members?' I would say the Legion has done well, and it's the next 100 years everyone's looking forward to."

    Holding an American Legion silver dollar left Buyer "glassy-eyed," he said. "I remember as a young boy, maybe 10 or 11 years old, every time I would walk into the Francesville post I would look up on the wall and see my grandfather's picture. He was a past commander." He felt that pride again today, he added.

    The commemorative coins were designed through the Artist Infusion program and U.S. Mint sculptors and engravers, in consultation with The American Legion, the Citizens Coin Advisory Committee and the U.S. Commission on Fine Arts.

    At the Legion's 100th National Convention in Minneapolis last August, U.S. Mint Director David Ryder said sales could raise up to $9.5 million for the organization's programs and services.

    To be added to the mailing list for updates, go to legion.org/coin. For prices and other ordering information, go to usmint.gov.

    https://www.legion.org/centennial/244694/mint-hosts-first-strike-american-legion-commemorative-coin#.XFM00vye8qM.facebook

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    jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,077 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is it just me, or does it look like the girl is sticking her tongue out??

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,673 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks goofy to me too, obviously she is reciting the pledge and the artist decided to capture her in mid verse. Too much tongue is not a good thing in this instance.

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    GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why can't Congress change the law to make these commemorative half dollars in .999 silver like they just did with 2019 proof quarters, dimes, and Kennedy's?

    I may just stop collecting commemorative halves altogether as I just don't like clads, and I don't really want to support this design.

    I do like the silver and gold and will gladly support the Legion and get one of each of them as it is a great organization and designs are more classic.

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    53BKid53BKid Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭

    @Hemispherical said:
    The American Legion Emblem: "There shines the Emblem of The American Legion, it is your badge of distinction, honor and service. It stands for God and Country, and the highest rights of man. Of its several parts, each has a meaning."

    alty, and Americanism.

    Thank you for posting the elements of the American Legion Emblem--Very meaningful to gain a deeper understanding...most appreciated.

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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Picked this up as a complement to the upcoming American Legion coins



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    BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2019 12:08AM

    @Goldminers said:
    Why can't Congress change the law to make these commemorative half dollars in .999 silver like they just did with 2019 proof quarters, dimes, and Kennedy's?

    They did.

    U.S. Mint moving from coin silver to .999?

    Edit to add: It is also mentioned in the OP...

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    GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2019 6:15AM

    @Goldminers said:

    Why can't Congress change the law to make these commemorative half dollars in .999 silver like they just did with 2019 proof quarters, dimes, and Kennedy's?

    @BackroadJunkie said: They did.

    Edit to add: It is also mentioned in the OP...

    This is from your op link to the new 2017 Public law 115-65

    " **HALF-DOLLAR CLAD COINS.—Not more than 750,000 half- dollar coins which shall— (A) weigh 11.34 grams; (B) have a diameter of 1.205 inches; and (C) **be minted to the specifications for half-dollar coins contained in section 5112(b) of title 31, United States Code."****

    That code says:
    31 U.S. Code § 5112.Denominations, specifications, and design of coins
    U.S. Code

    (a)The Secretary of the Treasury may mint and issue only the following coins:
    (1)a dollar coin that is 1.043 inches in diameter.
    (2)a half dollar coin that is 1.205 inches in diameter and weighs 11.34 grams.

    The new American Legion Halves are clad per the specs noted above and in the OP. The Apollo commemorative halves are also clad.

    Sorry but I can't find the section where it changed the law for half dollar commemoratives so that they can be silver? The clad halves weigh 11.34 grams, the 90% silver Kennedy's are 12.5 grams if they keep the same diameter again, a .999 silver half would be almost 12.7 grams.

    Edited to say I am a miner, not a lawyer, so I might be missing something.
    It seems if they were allowed to do .999 silver commemorative halves now they would make the change, pun intended.

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    BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2019 7:53AM

    @Goldminers said:

    @Goldminers said:

    Why can't Congress change the law to make these commemorative half dollars in .999 silver like they just did with 2019 proof quarters, dimes, and Kennedy's?

    @BackroadJunkie said: They did.

    Edit to add: It is also mentioned in the OP...

    This is from your op link to the new 2017 Public law 115-65

    " **HALF-DOLLAR CLAD COINS.—Not more than 750,000 half- dollar coins which shall— (A) weigh 11.34 grams; (B) have a diameter of 1.205 inches; and (C) **be minted to the specifications for half-dollar coins contained in section 5112(b) of title 31, United States Code."****

    That code says:
    31 U.S. Code § 5112.Denominations, specifications, and design of coins
    U.S. Code

    (a)The Secretary of the Treasury may mint and issue only the following coins:
    (1)a dollar coin that is 1.043 inches in diameter.
    (2)a half dollar coin that is 1.205 inches in diameter and weighs 11.34 grams.

    The new American Legion Halves are clad per the specs noted above and in the OP. The Apollo commemorative halves are also clad.

    Sorry but I can't find the section where it changed the law for half dollar commemoratives so that they can be silver? The clad halves weigh 11.34 grams, the 90% silver Kennedy's are 12.5 grams if they keep the same diameter again, a .999 silver half would be almost 12.7 grams.

    Edited to say I am a miner, not a lawyer, so I might be missing something.
    It seems if they were allowed to do .999 silver commemorative halves now they would make the change, pun intended.

    Whoops! Sorry about that, thought you were talking about the dollars.

    The halves are clad because the US halves are clad, and the metal makes the price difference bearable.

    Should he halves be silver, they would not be 50% of the dollar price. Heck the clad halves are 50% of the silver dollar price. It would be defeating the purpose of the lower cost commemorative.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Personally, I don't collect any modern commems. I buy a few I like every now and then. But I certainly don't mind that the halves are clad.

    If I want silver, I buy bullion. If I want art, I buy the image not the medium.

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    GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BackroadJunkie said:
    The halves are clad because the US halves are clad, and the metal makes the price difference bearable.

    Should he halves be silver, they would not be 50% of the dollar price. Heck the clad halves are 50% of the silver dollar price. It would be defeating the purpose of the lower cost commemorative.

    The quarters are clad, and yet they make the 2019 ATB commemorative set in .999 silver now.
    Kennedy's are clad, but they make silver ones now also .999 as well in the new proof sets.

    I just don't see the difference really why commemorative halves are any different except for the law hasn't changed for them. The clads are half the price of the silver dollars like you said.

    I don't think their costs would go up very much if they were silver. The Apollo silver dollar proof is $54.95 at .999 and the Apollo clad proof half is 27.95. I think most people would be happy to pay $30-35 for a .999 silver half which has some real silver value, vs one of 8.33% nickel, and 91.67% copper.

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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One more added to the complement



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    BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 24, 2019 11:00PM

    @Goldminers said:

    @BackroadJunkie said:
    The halves are clad because the US halves are clad, and the metal makes the price difference bearable.

    Should he halves be silver, they would not be 50% of the dollar price. Heck the clad halves are 50% of the silver dollar price. It would be defeating the purpose of the lower cost commemorative.

    The quarters are clad, and yet they make the 2019 ATB commemorative set in .999 silver now.
    Kennedy's are clad, but they make silver ones now also .999 as well in the new proof sets.

    I just don't see the difference really why commemorative halves are any different except for the law hasn't changed for them. The clads are half the price of the silver dollars like you said.

    I don't think their costs would go up very much if they were silver. The Apollo silver dollar proof is $54.95 at .999 and the Apollo clad proof half is 27.95. I think most people would be happy to pay $30-35 for a .999 silver half which has some real silver value, vs one of 8.33% nickel, and 91.67% copper.

    Then you should definitely write your congresscritters and get the law changed.

    And good luck with that. :D

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    BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,166 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It will be interesting to see if this limited audience coin set does better or worse than the last few...

    The Girl Scout coin failed to sell enough to cover the mint's costs and thus sent no surcharge $s to the target.

    https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/2014/01/girl-scouts-will-get-no-commem-surcharges.all.html

    Several of the others forwarded far less than the potential $s, e.g. US Marshals, Boy's Town, and the Lions Club:

    https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/2019/01/commemorative-coin-surcharges-not-automatic.all.html

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I feel the same way about the American Legion coins that I felt about last year's World War I coins.

    World War I made a very big difference in the history/future course of the little town that I grew up in, and it made a big difference in the lives of my grandparents and their relatives, friends and acquaintances. When I was in grade school, most of these people were around seventy years old and they influenced me greatly.

    Accordingly, I bought the World War I coin and medal sets as a remembrance of the town and of all those folks.

    The American Legion was also very important to the town and the people of my grandparents' generation. It was still a force in the town in 1969, and mostly a spent force twenty years later. Also, we think (but can't verify) that one of my great-uncles may have been in Paris at the big formative meeting of the Legion in early 1919. Later, my Dad was also active in the local Legion, but it didn't mean quite as much to him as his parents and their generation.

    So, I will buy the Five dollar and one dollar coins and the medal too, all in memory of the people who came before me. Possibly I will end up with a half dollar too, but the design is trite and corny.

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    GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Then you should definitely write your congresscritters and get the law changed.

    And good luck with that. :D

    While I am at it I will suggest they quit making billions of circulated cents a year at a loss. Just make a few real copper ones in proof sets or uncirculated mint sets and those will be really popular again. There are enough Lincolns out there to last for decades. Sure people hoard them, but really is there a good reason to keep any dated after 1983, other than the 2009's?

    Waste of space and time IMO to have literally more than 100 billion of them with 97.5% zinc sitting in jars with a current melt value of only 0.7 cents? Maybe I can send a note to AOC and say the major zinc mine in Alaska is polluting the environment and she will add it to her green list of projects. ;)

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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The minting of Morgan and Peace silver Dollars was largely economically unnecessary too, but what is super highly popular with collectors today?

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    GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillDugan1959 said:
    The minting of Morgan and Peace silver Dollars was largely economically unnecessary too, but what is super highly popular with collectors today?

    Then why not mint about 300,000,000 of them a year for those collectors who like to find new ones in change, instead of OVER 8 billion a year like they have since 2014? Then there would be some real collector interest and improve the hobby IMO.

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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    DOH. Cents are largely minted for the use in the collection of very small local taxes. This is also a major reason for minting Nickels.

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    GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2019 9:27AM

    Well yes I know it is a very unpopular idea to get rid of them or limit production, but 75% of the country uses credit cards now, not cash, Australia did away with the penny in 1966, and Canada did away with them in 2013, with no major negative effects.

    Jarden Zinc a subsidiary of Newell Brands NWL based in NY and is the sole supplier to the Mint for cent production. They have a big lobby and also they have already proposed to make the cents and nickels out of plated steel which they also can produce to allow production at the Mint to continue without a loss.

    So my prediction is that it won't be long and 1943 style steel cents will make a comeback (99% steel and thin layer of zinc or maybe copper now), and nickels will be steel as well with maybe nickel plating that Jarden Zinc will supply to the Mint. Win for the company, win for the mint, and everyone can still hoard and use as many as they want.

    The Mint by law is not supposed to lose money as it is supposed give profits to the Treasury.

    Some people hate change. Pun intended.

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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2019 10:53AM

    20th Anniversary Armistice Day 1918 - 1938

    edit to add a serendipitous find while clearing the one above

    1969 25th. Anniversary of D-Day American Legion Medallion


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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This one deserves it's own post. I like the style



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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At eighth grade graduation our Grade school had a single individual award (besides the diplomas themselves) and that was the American Legion School Award. In 1973, I recieved a medal and two certificates and the medal was exactly like the one posted by @Kudbegud...

    My copy was later stolen, but I remember the graduation and the American Legion award very well.

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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillDugan1959 - Which one was the one you got?


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    BillDugan1959BillDugan1959 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kudbegud It was the same as yours, the eagle design, three inch size - I believe that the design with military figures was earlier.

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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks. That's a nice one.


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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Added an American Legion Medallion


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    GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is an amazing collection of Legion medals. Thanks for posting.

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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One more added



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    ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Goldminers said:
    That is an amazing collection of Legion medals. Thanks for posting.

    +1

    ~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
    POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
    Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
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    KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just added one and one to go @ 3:00 pm HST



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    GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 3, 2019 8:58PM

    OK, here is another one. I couldn't resist it. Silver .999 1.26 ounces.

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    GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All nice ones thank you!

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    BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bump.

    Web pages updated. See initial post for updates.

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    HemisphericalHemispherical Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gold, silver and the set with the Veterans Medal. :)

    Clad... Hmm...

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Goldminers said:
    Well yes I know it is a very unpopular idea to get rid of them or limit production, but 75% of the country uses credit cards now, not cash, Australia did away with the penny in 1966, and Canada did away with them in 2013, with no major negative effects.

    Jarden Zinc a subsidiary of Newell Brands NWL based in NY and is the sole supplier to the Mint for cent production. They have a big lobby and also they have already proposed to make the cents and nickels out of plated steel which they also can produce to allow production at the Mint to continue without a loss.

    So my prediction is that it won't be long and 1943 style steel cents will make a comeback (99% steel and thin layer of zinc or maybe copper now), and nickels will be steel as well with maybe nickel plating that Jarden Zinc will supply to the Mint. Win for the company, win for the mint, and everyone can still hoard and use as many as they want.

    The Mint by law is not supposed to lose money as it is supposed give profits to the Treasury.

    Some people hate change. Pun intended.

    Actually, they should just have banks buy the cents back at 60 to 75 cents per roll if they want them back in circulation. It would be cheaper for the government to acquire them that way than Mint new ones.

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    GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Actually, they should just have banks buy the cents back at 60 to 75 cents per roll if they want them back in circulation. It would be cheaper for the government to acquire them that way than Mint new ones.

    That is an interesting concept, but a little tough logistically. I just went through my big cans of change, pulled out the pre-1982's and 2009 Lincolns, and turned in about 5,000 cents to the bank along with a bunch of other modern clad.

    The bank has a free machine just like Coinstar, so it is really easy to just dump them in and so no need to fill rolls and sign them like I used to have to do.

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