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1885 and 1884 Trade Dollars at auction. Each PR 66, ex Eliasberg.
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Been there done that. Made a serious offer. Got a flat NO.
I'd love to see them in auction w/no reserve
they are great coins.
Well I expect you'll get a piece of the '85 one way or another, Mr. Hansen needs it also correct? Pardon my laziness to look but did Mr. Tradedollarnut have one in his set?
There's no photo on the HA listing yet, but here's a prior Stack's photo:
Sweet coins!
Someone (TDN?) tell me where I am wrong. Pm great!
The 85 went DM for DR then TDN to JA?
20 years later. Wonderful sale.
My 1866 Philly Mint Set
Good luck if you go for it!
Used to own them both. Lovely coins - only issues are a fingerprint on the reverse of the 1884 and a flat strike and ‘moldy haze’ on the obverse of the 1885.
I’d be a buyer but I know where the better 1885 resides. It’s my dream coin.
FWIW:
1884 will cross and sticker
1885 will downgrade cross 65+ and maybe sticker.
I grade the ‘lost 1885’ as 65++ shot 66 at PCGS
It appear this pair could split up. That is a shame.
My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
Is the face and arm + as dark as it looks in the picture above and is that the "moldy haze"?
Successful BST deals with mustangt and jesbroken. Now EVERYTHING is for sale.
This is a more representative picture
are these for sale? I have no time to check.
Oh wow, that is really cool, the Eliasberg 1884 and 1885 Trade Dollars. I do not know what sales have been for these two coins over the last 10 to 15 years, but I wonder if the 20%+ off sale on ultra classic rarities still continues? Such buying opportunities right now. I hope TDN gets his special 1885 one day, then all he needs is a 1995W to complete his run of VERY rare silver dollars!
My guess is $4.4M all in for the pair
Day and night compared to the above Stack's photo.
The coin is much more appealing than that photo in person.
Dealing in Canadian and American coins and historical medals.
The Stack's photo is stunning... the TDN photo, not so much.... I would say that coin needs to be seen in hand.... Based on the above inputs though (Laura and TDN), they are amazing coins. Cheers, RickO
Can’t wait to see the Heritage photos. Hopefully they do some videos too.
It’s also great when coins of this caliber have TrueViews.
Would love to own them both. But ain't gonna happen.
Complete Set of Chopmarked Trade Dollars
Carson City Silver Dollars Complete 1870-1893http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase.aspx?sc=2722"
Remind me, please....When, where and by whom did these critters first appear?
get your money ready !!
its a whole set of Trade Dollars, some PCGS MS 68 and PR 68 CAM too
will be auctioned by heritage in January.
The MS68 is sort of infamous...ex Knoxville.
I vaguely recall that Carl Carlson uncovered evidence that the 1884 was "legitimate." The 1885 is more like the 1913 nickel (ie. not a "real" Mint issue). But at this point the collector history of the coins outweighs any "real" history by about $4.4M (going by TDN's number, and he should know).
1884 PR-66 ex-Eliasberg
https://coins.ha.com/itm/proof-trade-dollars/1884-t-1-pr66-ngc-cac/p/1291-171001.s
1885 PR-66 ex-Eliasberg
https://coins.ha.com/itm/trade-dollars/silver-and-related-dollars/1885-t-1-pr66-ngc/p/1291-171002.s
Heritage photos are up (above are the small ones).
I'll take the under.
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I believe that was written up in the Starr auction catalog.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Real flat strike on the 1885 obv. Almost like they only made a few of them and weren’t able to dial in the tolerances.
Wouldn't it be cool if we knew who that fingerprint belonged to?
Don't quote me on that.
If I owned them, I’d put them in a multi coin holder. I always thought they were worth more as a matched pair
Yah, maybe. In a perfect world, id pay $4M and be happy...but you usually have to overpay
The catalog notes on the 1885 are very worthwhile reading!
It would be cool to show that to a fingerprint expert and see if they could do anything with it.
Probably nobody living though.
They crawled out of the Woodin work of course!
...Awful (good) pun!
But Carlson did not record his sources, if I remember correctly. How did he determine the 1884 was OK and the 1885 not?
Idler and Haseltine
"Idler and Haseltine" Nice names but they do not establish anything credible.
Establish away...
infamous is good or bad ? Should I go for it ?
Think about this private: It was never put in the TDN collection for a reason. And as you know TDN bought only the very best of the best. Nuff said.
care to expand?
I believe the Starr 1884 is graded PCGS PR 67. I haven't seen it in many years, but it was one of the most beautifully toned Trade Dollars of ANY date I've ever seen. Bruce, any idea where that coin is today?
Too bad there are no videos.
Del Loy owns it
Eliasberg Specimen, PR66 NGC. Superintendent of the Philadelphia Mint Archibald Loudon Snowden in 1885; possibly William Woodin in 1910; William Cutler Atwater; Atwater Collection (B. Max Mehl, 6/1946), lot 378; Louis E. Eliasberg, Sr.; Eliasberg Collection, Part II (Stack's/Bowers and Merena, 4/1997), lot 2354, realized $907,500; Jay Parrino; purchased by Heritage Auctions in a private transaction from Legend Numismatics for $1.5 million in late 1999; sold privately by Heritage Auctions in January 2006 for $3.3 million; private collection. The present coin.
Wow Heritage- you certainly butchered the facts relating to the most recent provenance here
To be fair, it can be very difficult to include pedigree information when the coin changes hands repeatedly through private treaty. Would you care to expand or pm?
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I bought the coin in 1999 from Jay Parrino via Legend Numismatics. I sold the coin in 2006 via Legend, JA and Heritage.
No excuses for messing up a provenance when you’re actually involved in the transaction
I guess that is not a surprise Bruce.