The Official 2019 Topps Heritage Discussion and Trade Thread

jmmiller777jmmiller777 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭

Any thoughts on the 2019 (1970) Topps Heritage Issue? While I really like the look of the 1 of 1's and he 5 of 5's and whatever, I have never been fortunate to open one. Are case prices going to rise again this year? The big stars signing? I would expect a subset, maybe a 10 card set of Munson to be issued. Perhaps a focus on some all-stars since there is a lack of great rookies. Vida Blue, Darrell Evans, and Bill Buckner are about as good as it gets. I have sets from every Heritage year and unopened boxes/cases for each year since I am a fan of the 60's, but now that we are moving into the 70's, I don't know how far out I will go. What about the rest of you?

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  • jmmiller777jmmiller777 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭

    So, Cardboard Connection just gave us the first look at the set. It looks nice, but I agree with a comment that a member makes; it looks like the borders are to wide and the picture to small. If these cards come off the press miscut, then they are going to look really bad with so much border on each side to begin with. Hope Topps puts some quality assurance into this. I guess we wish this every year. The Brewers will be a special feature of this set, marking their entrance into the league. Feb 27th is the release date, earlier than the usual March time frame.

    CURRENT PROJECTS IN WORK:
    To be honest, no direction, but...
    1966-69 Topps EX+
    1975 minis NrMt Kelloggs PSA 9
    All Topps Heritage-Master Sets
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  • Is the 2019 set still going to have so many SP's in it?? I quit making the sets several years ago because the SP's were getting so pricey to find.

  • However I do like the 60's format that were used, so I'm always sitting on the fence about it.

  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭✭

    I’m one 70’s dude that can’t wait for the next decade of Heritage.

  • vintagefunvintagefun Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭

    I’ve expected all along that I’d surely be dragged to 77 at least. But pretty sure once there I’ll roll through the 80 version. I can’t see going beyond that...but who knows?

    52-90 All Sports, Mostly Topps, Mostly HOF, and some assorted wax.
  • brad31brad31 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭

    If those are really how they look (Cardboard Connection article) the borders are way too wide. They look like a bad mock-up of a 1970 fantasy card. Hopefully they fix this before they issue. I didn’t like the ‘52-‘56 Heritage because they were too small and should have been larger sized. Have liked them since but they really missed the mark on this set.

    Think Heritage will go all the way to the ‘89 design at least but who knows.

    If they do them right really think ‘71,’72, ‘75, ‘81 and ‘83 will be cool sets.

  • countdouglascountdouglas Posts: 632 ✭✭✭✭

    @brad31 said:
    If those are really how they look (Cardboard Connection article) the borders are way too wide. They look like a bad mock-up of a 1970 fantasy card.

    I agree that the Mookie Betts shown in the Cardboard Connection article is not the most attractive card. I also looked at the Beckett news release, and they show a Francisco Lindor example that has much thinner borders and looks nice. Hopefully, the Lindor is more in line with what the actual product will look like.

  • Nascar360Nascar360 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭

    Racing guy here, but I use to collect the older Topps baseball sets. Will 2019 Heritage card number 1 be the World Champions team photo card? Does Heritage have team photo's in them?

  • 53BKid53BKid Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭

    I began collecting in earnest in 1970 and had looked forward to seeing this heritage issue. Actually, I find the wide boarders very disappointing. I wonder why Topps felt compelled to go with that kind of a format. They're different enough that I probably hold off on collecting the set.

    The Box Toppers like the 1970 Supers and posters should be fun to collect. Scratch-offs would have been cool, but even back then weren't too popular.

    HAPPY COLLECTING!!!
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 23,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This year I'm thinking of capping how much I spend.

    It's just too easy to drop some blasters into the basket every time I go to Target with the wife.

    I will think about 1 hobby case and that's it.

    Now, I remember back around 2003 or 4 paying more like $60 per box for a case.

    If I don't like the price? I'm out. Or I'll buy a blaster case - where the retail is way less - since I don't really care for all the extra SPs.

    From where I started in 2001, Heritage has gotten very complicated.

    Mike



  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭✭

    @Stone193 said:
    This year I'm thinking of capping how much I spend.

    It's just too easy to drop some blasters into the basket every time I go to Target with the wife.

    I will think about 1 hobby case and that's it.

    Now, I remember back around 2003 or 4 paying more like $60 per box for a case.

    If I don't like the price? I'm out. Or I'll buy a blaster case - where the retail is way less - since I don't really care for all the extra SPs.

    From where I started in 2001, Heritage has gotten very complicated.

    Mike, I collected Heritage HEAVY in 2004 and 2005. Master sets with all SP's and variations. Still have them. Now that Heritage is entering "my decade" of youth I'm interested again. But yeah, looks pretty wild. A hobby case is a GRAND. Jesus. ....

  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 23,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 26, 2018 11:42AM

    We'll just have to see Dan - again - good seeing you here buddy.

    I did pull this card last year - made the whole run worth the price of admission!

    Mike



  • JKTJKT Posts: 480 ✭✭✭

    Cannot wait for Heritage to get into the 70's. Personally I think that the next 3 years will be tough for simply ripping packs and expecting most cards to be in "10" condition. I for one think it will add a bit to the thrill of the hunt and that's where the fun is for me.

    Can't wait!

    Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.

  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 23,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JKT said:
    Cannot wait for Heritage to get into the 70's. Personally I think that the next 3 years will be tough for simply ripping packs and expecting most cards to be in "10" condition. I for one think it will add a bit to the thrill of the hunt and that's where the fun is for me.

    Can't wait!

    Liking the enthusiasm!

    Mike



  • waxman2745waxman2745 Posts: 621 ✭✭✭

    I'm looking forward to this release because of the 1970 Mint Relics. These cards come with coins from 1970 embedded in them. For those who don't know, the half dollar in 1970 contained 40% silver and was never issued for circulation. It had a low mintage and is somewhat scarce. There will be a 1/1 card with a Half Dollar in it.

    Adam
    collecting O-Pee-Chee (OPC) baseball raw or graded, years 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, and 1970
  • GoDodgersFanGoDodgersFan Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭

    Collected cards in the late 70s to the mid 80s. Can't wait for 1975 and 1983.

  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭✭

    @Stone193 said:
    We'll just have to see Dan - again - good seeing you here buddy.

    I did pull this card last year - made the whole run worth the price of admission!

    That's a super pull Mike! Congrats .... Heritage has been and is such a great concept.

  • linuxabuserlinuxabuser Posts: 121 ✭✭✭

    Heritage has gotten way too complicated. There are gold refractors now #’d to 5; good luck completing that set.

    I am working on master sets from 2001-2012. Had to stop at 2012 because 2013 SSPs and parallels were too much.

  • MLBdaysMLBdays Posts: 602 ✭✭✭✭✭

    '71 is my fave set of the 70's so I'll be eager to see how those black border beauties turn out in 2020..... the real 1970 Topps issue has kinda been taken for granted with the gray borders .....though I am beginning to see some saturation and actual buying the bigger our hobby has gotten in the last couple years...especially on the high end 1970 T's PSA 10 Gem Mints......prices are not as soft as they were say a few years ago...... HIGHER DEMAND IS MAKING notoriously soft issues a bit harder for sure..... GREAT NEWS!

  • ZTargZTarg Posts: 497 ✭✭✭

    I'm afraid how heavy I will go on the 2021 (1972) Heritage.

  • kmnortonkmnorton Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭

    Yeah, Nick, I was talking with the owner of my LCS just last night saying 2021 might be my first case (initial, not cumulative) purchase ever. 2020 might be tempting as well because of condition.

    IWTDMBII
  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭

    As some have already stated, I really hope the design is more in line with the Beckett article cards showing Lindor and not the Cardboard Connection Betts. If the Betts reflects the real design, then someone at Topps needs to be fired. That is awful.

  • EstilEstil Posts: 5,624 ✭✭✭

    What I'm really looking forward to is how the 2020 Heritage (1971) will turn out. I want to do that set so much but I've had a few "false starts" over the years do to life issues at the time. :( Sadly it remains but a dream. :(

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  • 53BKid53BKid Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2018 1:38PM

    It may not be a big deal these days, but the 1971 Topps set was the first to include action shots. Paired with the horizontal format on just some of the cards, and depicting game situations with multiple players, made that an awesome set for kids to collect. I still remember being mesmerized sorting them out.

    My older cousin introduced me to cards at a local candy store in '69 and had a few packs. '70 was the first set I collected full bore as a kid. By '71 it was a full blown obsession.

    I've cooled on Heritage for the reasons expressed above, as it's gotten too complicated with all the chase cards and different formats. I'll wait to see what the '70s look like in hand before making judgement, but either way, I'm not going to pour in anywhere near as much as I did previously. I have to believe that based on availability in stores, the print runs of the more recent Heritage since 2010 have skyrocketed.

    HAPPY COLLECTING!!!
  • krisd3279krisd3279 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭

    I should probably just spend the money on the 'real' 71T, but I'm sure I will spend way too much on 2020 Heritage...

    Kris

    My 1971 Topps adventure - Davis Men in Black

  • Blowout presale is $989 / $82 a box. Much cheaper than the last few years. I think the 1971, 1972, and 1975 will be big but other than those I can see heritage losing a few folks. You can only keep adding the gum back reverse negative color swap gold refractor autograph numbered to 5 or less in hobby jumbo topps hometown shops only cards so long before people stop giving a crap.

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  • ZTargZTarg Posts: 497 ✭✭✭

    This is who I ordered from this year. Seems to good to be true, but I took a shot.

    [https://ebay.com/itm/2019-Topps-Heritage-Baseball-12-Hobby-Box-Case-Sealed-/173612181952?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137]

    He accepted my offer of $750, and I used my credit card through eBay for a little added protection.

  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭✭

    @BeRoyalKC said:
    Blowout presale is $989 / $82 a box. Much cheaper than the last few years. I think the 1971, 1972, and 1975 will be big but other than those I can see heritage losing a few folks. You can only keep adding the gum back reverse negative color swap gold refractor autograph numbered to 5 or less in hobby jumbo topps hometown shops only cards so long before people stop giving a crap.

    I bet the older vintage guys who may drop out get replaced by younger nostalgic guys from the late 70’s and 80’s. Don’t forget that’s a near decade from now. The collectors from that time period are certainly there. There is much love for the late 70’s through mid 80’s regardless of over printing. Many gorgeous sets in there.

  • @softparade said:

    @BeRoyalKC said:
    Blowout presale is $989 / $82 a box. Much cheaper than the last few years. I think the 1971, 1972, and 1975 will be big but other than those I can see heritage losing a few folks. You can only keep adding the gum back reverse negative color swap gold refractor autograph numbered to 5 or less in hobby jumbo topps hometown shops only cards so long before people stop giving a crap.

    I bet the older vintage guys who may drop out get replaced by younger nostalgic guys from the late 70’s and 80’s. Don’t forget that’s a near decade from now. The collectors from that time period are certainly there. There is much love for the late 70’s through mid 80’s regardless of over printing. Many gorgeous sets in there.

    Oh I agree there will be some 80's love I'm just not sure the 73, 74, 76 stuff will light peoples fires. I think this year I'm going to spend a few bucks I normally spend on Heritage and start filling in a bunch of the SP's I need to finish off some older sets. I say that now and then Happy Heritage Day hits and I'm in the card shop opening 5 boxes. BTW my wife knows what Happy Heritage Day is and she hates it!

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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2018 6:44PM

    @BeRoyalKC said:

    @softparade said:

    @BeRoyalKC said:
    Blowout presale is $989 / $82 a box. Much cheaper than the last few years. I think the 1971, 1972, and 1975 will be big but other than those I can see heritage losing a few folks. You can only keep adding the gum back reverse negative color swap gold refractor autograph numbered to 5 or less in hobby jumbo topps hometown shops only cards so long before people stop giving a crap.

    I bet the older vintage guys who may drop out get replaced by younger nostalgic guys from the late 70’s and 80’s. Don’t forget that’s a near decade from now. The collectors from that time period are certainly there. There is much love for the late 70’s through mid 80’s regardless of over printing. Many gorgeous sets in there.

    Oh I agree there will be some 80's love I'm just not sure the 73, 74, 76 stuff will light peoples fires. I think this year I'm going to spend a few bucks I normally spend on Heritage and start filling in a bunch of the SP's I need to finish off some older sets. I say that now and then Happy Heritage Day hits and I'm in the card shop opening 5 boxes. BTW my wife knows what Happy Heritage Day is and she hates it!

    I’m thinking ATM that ‘71 is a must for obvious black border and style reasons. Then ‘75 is a must for obvious trippy hippy reasons. Then the object of my life long card desires. 1978 Topps. That’s gonna be a thrill for me lord willing and the creek don’t rise.

  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭

    I"ve been waiting for '70-'72 since Heritage started in '01. I really hope they don't have the overly wide borders as are shown in the sell sheet though.
    Looks like the ad panels are gone after a 10 year run. I can't imagine anyone getting excited over the scratch offs this year, but hopefully the Greatest Moments will be the boxtopper in '20.

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • ZTargZTarg Posts: 497 ✭✭✭

    @Griffins said:
    .....hopefully the Greatest Moments will be the boxtopper in '20.

    Wouldn't it be coins for 1971 (2020) and posters for 1972 (2021)?

  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭

    It would be coins and Greatest Moments. But they didn't do coins when they did '64 Heritage, and they did do test sets in previous years (punchouts and disks) and cards are easier to produce than coins, so I'm hoping for the GM's.

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • Mick65Mick65 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭

    $1,000 a case? Dang!

  • GoDodgersFanGoDodgersFan Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭

    Wow. 1k a case. Not sure if the RCs justify the price. Are there any Ontani, Judge or Acuna in this year's crop of RCs?

  • JKTJKT Posts: 480 ✭✭✭

    Vladimir Guerrero Jr’s RC cards are likely to be a highlight of next year’s sets.

    Always looking for tougher PSA 10's of Nolan Arenado, Alex Bregman, Mookie Betts, Francisco Lindor, and Mike Trout.

  • LarkinCollectorLarkinCollector Posts: 6,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 7, 2019 4:23PM

    @JKT said:
    Vladimir Guerrero Jr’s RC cards are likely to be a highlight of next year’s sets.

    It's not often I beat the crowd to a top BB prospect ...

  • robert67robert67 Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭
    edited June 5, 2019 11:10AM

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  • WaltWalt Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭

    this stuff any good?

  • robert67robert67 Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭
    edited June 5, 2019 11:09AM

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  • Mick65Mick65 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭

    Just not sure about the value, dropping a grand, hoping you get a "master set" (although I'm not even sure what that is anymore). I know getting a complete set out of a case was getting harder. And then having a bunch of random "chase" cards and really one maybe two "big"-ger hits. Wished the set was cleaner and more focused like the earlier days but that was a decade ago... haha.

  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭✭

    @Mick65 said:
    Just not sure about the value, dropping a grand, hoping you get a "master set" (although I'm not even sure what that is anymore). I know getting a complete set out of a case was getting harder. And then having a bunch of random "chase" cards and really one maybe two "big"-ger hits. Wished the set was cleaner and more focused like the earlier days but that was a decade ago... haha.

    This. I ditched the idea of getting back to Heritage after seeing that a hobby case is a grand. F that. Instead I'm buying unopened from the early and mid 80's with that budgeted dinero.

  • ReggieClevelandReggieCleveland Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rookie crop other than Vlad Jr is going to be tumbleweeds. I think that's gonna hurt Heritage and Series 1. Good news for the longtime Heritage set collectors that don't care about that though. I definitely wouldn't preorder though. I'd wait and watch the prices drop.

    Arthur

  • rcmb3220rcmb3220 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭

    @JKT said:
    Vladimir Guerrero Jr’s RC cards are likely to be a highlight of next year’s sets.

    He won’t be in heritage until high numbers come out. Not sure if there’s a rookie worth chasing in the first few sets coming out.

    Dane

  • Mick65Mick65 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2019 1:36PM

    I haven't seen the prices drop much over the past few years. I'm not sure but the price increase may also have to do with a cut in production. I think I've seen last year hobby boxes (on sale) for $106. 2016 boxes for $124.

    Just a guess, I've been watching from a distance since 2014 (the 1965 set, haha- edited), buying a random box here and there. High Numbers appear available.

  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭✭

    Series? Oy Vey I have been out of Heritage for a long time ....

  • Mick65Mick65 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭

    I just saw a 2018 Hobby box marked down from $180 to $110. How could anyone justify to themselves spending $180 for a box last year's Heritage?

    Has to be priced on supply, right?

    Opening that up with a 99.99% chance of being disappointed when the "hit" is a Kyle Seager relic card.... haha.

  • countdouglascountdouglas Posts: 632 ✭✭✭✭

    @Mick65 said:
    I just saw a 2018 Hobby box marked down from $180 to $110. How could anyone justify to themselves spending $180 for a box last year's Heritage?

    Has to be priced on supply, right?

    Opening that up with a 99.99% chance of being disappointed when the "hit" is a Kyle Seager relic card.... haha.

    Shohei Ohtani, perhaps, was the reason?

  • robert67robert67 Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭
    edited June 5, 2019 11:08AM

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