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        <pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2026 06:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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        <title>Let&#39;s talk about our &quot;Jimmy the Greek specials&quot;</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1081740/lets-talk-about-our-jimmy-the-greek-specials</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 16:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>perkdog</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>So we have some "Action" guys here, myself included so I figured we could do a thread where we can discuss our picks, parlays and games that "Can't miss" but often times do</p>

<p>I went 0-4 and 1-4 last week on 2 parlays so I'm looking at turning my dismal showing around</p>
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        <title>Great boxing photos</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1115380/great-boxing-photos</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2025 02:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>Saint Ezzard</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>The title of the thread is self explanatory. This thread is going to be a sort of sequel to my original boxing thread. I'm sure there will be some inaccuracies in both threads, you can't cover a sport as complex as boxing and not get some things wrong. I'm a novice compared to a lot of boxing experts out there, I probably know less than 5% of all there is to know about this sport, but nevertheless this sport fascinates me just as much if not moreso than the most hardened gurus. To be honest, outside of my family, boxing is the only reason I get out of bed each and every morning, everyone in life has their own fascinations, astrophysicists have their black holes, geologists have their rocks, I have boxing. I will be using a lot of sources here, too many to name, Boxing History on Facebook, The Loneliest Sport on Facebook, boxingforum24.com, eBay, Jo Sports Inc , various press agencies, Getty Images, Bridgemann Images, Alamy, Boxrec, gosh I've lost count, but thank you so much to everyone for the information and photos, I'll never be able to repay you for the happiness and fascination you've introduced into my life.</p>

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        <title>Pete Crow-Armstrong</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1106593/pete-crow-armstrong</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2024 15:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>ElMagoStrikeZone</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>If you blinked, you missed it.  <img src="https://forums.collectors.com/resources/emoji/open_mouth.png" title=":o" alt=":o" height="20" /></p>

<p>The kid is lightning. His last name is hyphenated. He currently bats 8th.</p>
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        <title>Wild trade for Quinn Hughes!</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1119037/wild-trade-for-quinn-hughes</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2025 18:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>JoeBanzai</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Minnesota gives up Marco Rossi, Zeev Buium, Liam Ohgren and next year's first round pick for former Norris trophy winner and last year's 3rd place finisher Quinn Hughes.</p>

<p>Bold move to give up 3 former 1st round picks who were all on the Wild roster, (Rossi's hurt right now). The future 1st round pick will be a low one, but still a valuable piece of the trade.</p>

<p>Did the Wild give up too much? Their primary need is a Center, but to acquire a top defender who generates offense rarely happens. Centers, especially big ones who can score are hard to find, and teams seldom part with them.</p>

<p>Wild now have one of the best forwards in Kaprizov, one of the best defenders in Hughes, and two very good young players in forward Boldy and defender Faber. Rookie goaltender Wallstedt (.936 save percentage) has been outstanding!</p>

<p>Currently, the Wild are tied for the 5th best record in the NHL. Does this make them a contender for the Stanley Cup? The Wild haven't gotten past the first round in several years.</p>

<p>GO WILD!</p>
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        <title>2026 College football thread</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1120111/2026-college-football-thread</link>
        <pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2026 22:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>coolstanley</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Ohio State looks to have a tough schedule in 2026</p>

<p>Away: Texas, USC, Iowa, Indiana, Nebraska</p>

<p>Home: Oregon, Michigan</p>
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        <title>Cal Raleigh</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1122868/cal-raleigh</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2026 21:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>Darin</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>His OPS+ is down over 100 points from last year. Talk of a side injury but I’m not sure that’s the total reason for the decline. The Cardinals Jordan Walker’s OPS+ is up over a hundred points. Some players who started really slow are coming around like Julio Rodriguez and some are still struggling. <br />
Bobby Witt needs to keep raising his slugging % and OPS which he’s been doing since the start of May but even starting slowly he’s still leading MLB with 2.8 WAR. I don’t think he’s made an error at SS yet after 1/4 of the season is complete.</p>
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        <title>2026 NFL Regular Season Thread</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1120781/2026-nfl-regular-season-thread</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2026 21:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>galaxy27</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>it's dueces year</p>

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        <title>A few baseball observations after a week.</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1121999/a-few-baseball-observations-after-a-week</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2026 00:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Darin</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Already seen something interesting happen with the challenge of balls and strikes. Situation- Tatis batting for Padres, theyre down 3 runs in the ninth. Count is 2-1 when the pitcher throws an obvious low ball. Ump calls strike 2, Tatis does not challenge, and they did have one left. So count is 2-2 instead of 3-1 and Tatis flies out next pitch. Next batter jacks a homer leaving the Padres down 1 run as there was a runner on. The scoring ends there. Why didn’t Tatis challenge that call? The announcers and I were perplexed. At 3-1 he might try harder to draw a walk or even get a better pitch to hit. And yes he would have won the challenge it was obviously low. Dumbest non use of a challenge I’ve seen so far.<br />
In other news light hitting Royals center fielder Kyle Isbel has an OPS+ of 356 while proven hitter Josh Naylor is at -45. I love early season stats <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/7u/7rvk16cgmfud.png" alt="" title="" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/6027503/uploads/editor/7u/7rvk16cgmfud.png 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/6027503/uploads/editor/7u/7rvk16cgmfud.png 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/6027503/uploads/editor/7u/7rvk16cgmfud.png 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/6027503/uploads/editor/7u/7rvk16cgmfud.png 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/6027503/uploads/editor/7u/7rvk16cgmfud.png 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/6027503/uploads/editor/7u/7rvk16cgmfud.png 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/7u/7rvk16cgmfud.png" sizes="100vw" /><br />
Also if you haven’t seen the play where the first base ump called a runner out for not stepping on first base you’re missing out on some good stuff. He clearly stepped right on the bag, call overturned! How do you call something like that if he’s not certain? Is he seeing things?</p>

<p>Wow didn’t know the Dino emoji would be huge. Got a new phone and my only demand was it has to have Dino emojis. Kidding. But YES!</p>
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        <title>The Official 2025-2026 NBA Regular Season Discussion Thread</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1115077/the-official-2025-2026-nba-regular-season-discussion-thread</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2025 16:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>erikthredd</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Looks like OKC's countdown clock as a title favorite with this current core of SGA, Holmgren &amp; Jalen WIlliams has officially started after Chet just signed this rookie supermax <a rel="nofollow" href="https://forums.collectors.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hoopsrumors.com%2F2025%2F07%2Fthunder-chet-holmgren-agree-to-max-five-year-extension.html">https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/07/thunder-chet-holmgren-agree-to-max-five-year-extension.html</a></p>

<p>Jalen Williams rookie deal has just this '25/26 season left on it and if he gets voted All-NBA again (2nd time over a 3yr stretch) he then becomes eligible for a Supermax on par with that historic recent contract extension that SGA just signed. The Thunder would then be facing some difficult roster decisions similar to what Boston has dealt with this offseason due to the NBA's idiotic second apron restrictions.<br />
With SGA &amp; JDub each in that 70M range and Chet in the high 40's, those three would likely account for almost all of OKC's entire salary cap number. They basically have a two year window before all of these extensions kick in fully and at that point, its either give up one of your homegrown stars from the three names above or jettison the rest of their playoff rotation role players (Hartenstein/Caruso/Dort/joe/Wiggins) that just helped you win the Finals. Its possible that they could end up going both routes.</p>

<p>Its a real shame that some teams can do everything right by putting together a championship winning roster and as soon as you reward the players for their part in helping you win, it automatically starts a countdown clock to when you'll need to start trimming salary or face heavy tax fines &amp; numerous trade restrictions. Most NBA owners are too cheap to do what is needed to see their own team be successful but they sure as hell hate seeing other teams have prolonged success which likely means the age of dynasties are pretty much over as long as the current CBA is in effect. This is the first offseason where the league's new tax provisions are all on the table and the players group as a whole saw their total salaries number drop by close to 500M. IIIRC it was just over 480M-ish but may drop a bit with some mid level free agents still on the market.</p>

<p>Its ironic that the owners cried about parity for years to the point that they changed the rules around roster building to help create more parity, yet by the time those rules fully kicked in, the league just watched the 7th different champion over that 7 year stretch. Talk about cutting off one's nose to spite one's face lol, its really not that surprising to see so many teams change ownership in recent years, might as well cash out while the getting is good. The Portland Trail Blazers are now the most recent team to go up for sale and once sold will mean that 1/3 of the 30 team league will have changed ownership since 2019-20.</p>
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        <title>Preakness,2nd leg of Triple Crown</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1122855/preakness-2nd-leg-of-triple-crown</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2026 14:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>BLUEJAYWAY</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>No chance for a TC with Golden Tempo bypassing the race.<br />
Now, today, one of the early favorites has scratched. Silent Tactic has withdrawn from today's post drawing. This leaves the local undefeated horse Taj Mahal the buzz horse. Trained by Brittany Russell she will get much press. A woman trying to win a TC race.<br />
Field looks to be an open betting affair with a full field of maybe 14 going to post.<br />
Will take a stab at a few longshot across the board.</p>
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        <title>Cool game to play to test your baseball knowledge</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1093131/cool-game-to-play-to-test-your-baseball-knowledge</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2023 22:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>nauvcire1</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><a rel="nofollow" href="https://forums.collectors.com/home/leaving?allowTrusted=1&amp;target=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.immaculategrid.com%2F">https://www.immaculategrid.com/</a></p>

<p>I’ve been kinda addicted to this game ever since a friend sent me this link ( I promise this isn’t spam !! )  .. I think of all my 80-90s cards when choosing who to select for each category</p>
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        <title>2026 Kentucky Derby</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1122543/2026-kentucky-derby</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2026 03:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>BLUEJAYWAY</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>It's that time of year again. 1 week to go. A field of 20 will run. Many variables and angles abound. Mike Smith seeks to become oldest winning jockey of the Derby. Father/son combination of the Motts racing against each other. Baffert in with 2 charges. Horses from Japan.<br />
Who do you like?</p>
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        <title>Red Sox FIRE CORA AND HIS WHOLE STAFF OF MISFITS</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1122544/red-sox-fire-cora-and-his-whole-staff-of-misfits</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2026 04:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>tommyrusty7</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>I hope the new manager is a balls to the wall manager!</p>
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        <title>2026 NFL Draft thread</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1120762/2026-nfl-draft-thread</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2026 03:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>VikingDude</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Next up on the schedule is the draft; here is the draft order:</p>

<p>1   Las Vegas Raiders<br />
2   New York Jets<br />
3   Arizona Cardinals<br />
4   Tennessee Titans<br />
5   New York Giants<br />
6   Cleveland Browns<br />
7   Washington Commanders<br />
8   New Orleans Saints<br />
9   Kansas City Chiefs<br />
10  Cincinnati Bengals<br />
11  Miami Dolphins<br />
12  Dallas Cowboys<br />
13  Los Angeles Rams (from Atlanta)<br />
14  Baltimore Ravens<br />
15  Tampa Bay Buccaneers<br />
16  New York Jets (from Indianapolis)<br />
17  Detroit Lions<br />
18  Minnesota Vikings<br />
19  Carolina Panthers<br />
20  Dallas Cowboys (from Green Bay)<br />
21  Pittsburgh Steelers<br />
22  Los Angeles Chargers<br />
23  Philadelphia Eagles<br />
24  Cleveland Browns (from Jacksonville)<br />
25  Chicago Bears<br />
26  Buffalo Bills<br />
27  San Francisco 49ers<br />
28  Houston Texans<br />
29  Los Angeles Rams<br />
30  Denver Broncos<br />
31  New England Patriots<br />
32  Seattle Seahawks</p>
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        <title>Enjoying retirement at last!</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1122087/enjoying-retirement-at-last</link>
        <pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2026 18:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>2dueces</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Retired last month at age 69. I quit golfing about 25 years ago and have taken it back up. Technology has come a long way in 30 years!! Had to switch from stiff shaft to regular graphite because my swing speed is slower. Went with TaylorMade Qi10 driver Stealth woods and irons. Swing is still there, just a bit rusty. Joined a local CC and seniors get together 3 mornings a week. Right now I’m just pounding ball to get ready. Updates to follow. Anyway enjoying retirement at last!!!</p>
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        <title>**Corbin Carroll**: a great combination of Speed &amp; Power</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1121943/corbin-carroll-a-great-combination-of-speed-power</link>
        <pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2026 21:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>charliej2356</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Corbin Carroll</strong> hit his 44th career triple last night.  To those not familiar with Carroll, you might say "Wow, that's a lot of triples for a 25-year-old player, but can he hit the long ball?  Well, Carroll also hit his 83rd career homer last night.  If Corbin played for the Mets or Dodgers or Yankees, he would be known as the greatest combination of speed and power since "fill-in-the-blanks".  He's really fun to watch and root for.</p>
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        <title>Lanemeyer................I WAS WRONG.</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1122492/lanemeyer-i-was-wrong</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2026 17:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>JoeBanzai</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>After Zuccarello gets elbowed in the head and now Benn's attempted decapitation of Boldy (with no response from his pathetic teammates), I am open to bringing Matt Cooke back to the NHL for one game.</p>

<p>Bye, bye Robertson.</p>

<p>The commentators I saw (except for one) all said the hit on Boldy was an accident. <strong><em>Of course it wasn't</em></strong>, BUT I always thought you were responsible for your stick at all times. I guess I was wrong AGAIN.  <img src="https://forums.collectors.com/resources/emoji/confounded.png" title=":s" alt=":s" height="20" />  Gee, this is getting sad.</p>

<p>I just watched the video replay multiple times. You can see Benn approaching Boldy from behind (COWARD) with his stick raised in the air like a guy <em>getting ready to split wood</em>. Then he brings his stick down and smashes Matt in the back of the head with his stick. Benn had PLENTY OF TIME to avoid that! <strong><em>NO PENALTY!</em></strong></p>

<p>If I remember from his past, Benn also refuses to fight after one of his frequent cheap shots, so if you drop the gloves and he doesn't, YOU get penalized. I wouldn't have bothered to drop my gloves, Benn.........................well I'm not sure the moderator here would like what I was going to say, but if I were a Wild player on the ice when this happened....... you can just use your imagination and then multiply it by a factor of 10. Yes, its safe to say my NHL career would definitely be over.</p>

<p>Dallas' plan is genius. First hurt a great power play set up guy, then go after our best goal scorer. Zuccarello has three assists (two on the power play) in game one and gets an elbow right to the face LONG after the puck is gone. I just found that video too. the $cumbag Stars player Myers is staring right at Zucc's head for a long time before he INTENTIONALLY injures the little guy. Myers is a full foot taller than Zuccarello, gutless cementhead PUNK. Also saw a tremendous cross check by Myers that didn't get called. I know guys get cross checked in front of the net all the time, but the Wild player was launched into orbit.</p>

<p>Foligno gets his face smashed into the ice by Duchene while he's laying on the ice after blocking a shot. you can clearly see Duchene's right hand and stick come down on the back of Foligno's head. I'm sure that was an accident too!</p>

<p>Speaking of accidents, late in the game Hartman gets called for interference on an entrance into the Dallas zone. His back was completely turned to the Star's player, yet he gets called for the penalty. Did he know what he was doing? OF COURSE, but seeing as how he wasn't even looking, why wasn't THAT an accident?</p>

<p>To be fair, Blackwell's hit on Trenin was clean.</p>

<p>Kaprizov hasn't done much. I wonder if Dallas is just waiting for him to score, so they can hurt him too.</p>

<p>Where's Matt Cooke when you need him?</p>
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        <title>Sports, and their &quot;unwritten rules&quot; code</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1122592/sports-and-their-unwritten-rules-code</link>
        <pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2026 16:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>BLUEJAYWAY</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>While watching the Nuggets/Wolves game ending the other night,where Joker took offense at a late easy layup by the Wolves. After the game was in hand. This resulted in Joker getting into it with the Wolves squad.<br />
Apparently one does not run up the score when the game is in hand. But what if the scorer needed a score to qualify for a contract bonus, a personal high score record, or even worse to cover the point spread? How about betting on a players single score total and player ceases to score for the benefit of the unwritten rule fearing opposition retribution?There's the rub. With the proliferation of sports betting in general, and prop betting in particular, how would bettors accept the "unwritten rule" when it costs them a winning wager.<br />
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        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1122577/advice-on-valuation-is-welcome</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2026 20:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>galaxy27</dc:creator>
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        <title>Daytona 500:The Great American Race</title>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2026 09:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>BLUEJAYWAY</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Coming up February 15th. Not too early to hear any comments.<br />
Some older news. Hamlin's father died In a house fire recently,the Jordan issue with NASCAR, the Biffle tragedy. Will any of these items factor in racing this race or going forward in the season? To be sure Denny Hamlins father will be on his mind throughout.</p>
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        <title>I would recommend not investing in the trading cards of this particular sports robot</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1122445/i-would-recommend-not-investing-in-the-trading-cards-of-this-particular-sports-robot</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2026 06:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>stevek</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>For some reason this reminds me of my investment in Kevin Maas rookie cards.</p>

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        <title>&quot;Cause I &#39;m The Taxman&quot;</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1122296/cause-i-m-the-taxman</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2026 19:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>BLUEJAYWAY</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Rory's Master purse take was 4.5 million, Taxman's take 1.9 million. 40%.Not a bad 4 days "work" for the g.mint. <br />
If and when the rate hits 50% who will we be working for.</p>
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        <title>Hit, or Out?</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1122471/hit-or-out</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2026 21:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>Dave99B</dc:creator>
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        <title>OT: Music thread -- post a song you like</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1112498/ot-music-thread-post-a-song-you-like</link>
        <pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2025 19:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>galaxy27</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>It's that simple.</p>

<p>I probably have one of the most eclectic tastes in music around -- I can appreciate most genres.  Groups like The Beatles, however, have never been able to whet my appetite.  But for the first time in a very long time I heard this song on Sirius by George Harrison when he went solo, and I had forgotten just how much I like it.  It's an anachronism to my ears -- hard to believe he churned this out before I was even born.</p>

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        <title>Garrett Anderson,Angels star, dead at 53</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1122318/garrett-anderson-angels-star-dead-at-53</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2026 21:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>BLUEJAYWAY</dc:creator>
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        <title>who was better, Griffey or The Big Unit?</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1122209/who-was-better-griffey-or-the-big-unit</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2026 14:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>craig44</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>I saw a discussion across the street and this question was brought up.  I hadnt really given it any thought.  It is a difficult question as they play 2 completely different roles in baseball.  I think most would automatically give Griffey the nod.  He was more "visible" and popular during the 90s for sure.  he had all the commercials/fame.</p>

<p>I think if you really look at the numbers, Randy Johnson was a better pitcher than Griffey was a positional player.  I think a lot of this is because of his fame, but also he started out so strong.  Randy didnt really get heated up until he was 29-30 years old.  I wonder if their career arcs were reversed (griffey starting slow and finishing strong and unit the oposite) if it would be viewed differently?</p>

<p>would Griffey be viewed more like edgar martinez?  would randy johnson be looked at as if he were Doc Gooden, except with a 12 year prime?</p>
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        <title>Mariano Rivera is the ALL TIME MLB leader in ERA+ at 205...would you guess who is 9th all time??</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1122170/mariano-rivera-is-the-all-time-mlb-leader-in-era-at-205-would-you-guess-who-is-9th-all-time</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2026 19:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>1948_Swell_Robinson</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Mariano Rivera is the All Time MLB leader in ERA+ at 205 (Minimum 1,000 IP).   Kershaw is 2nd all time at 154.</p>

<p>I think many will be surprised that Dan Quisenberry is 9th all time at 146.  9th!</p>

<p>Of course, many view RP differently compared to starters for ERA.</p>

<p>However, Quisenberry is the 3rd all time among RP in ERA+</p>

<p>4th is Hoffman is next at 141<br />
5th John Franco 138<br />
6th Bruce Sutter 136<br />
7th Lee Smith 132<br />
8th Kent Tekulve 132<br />
9th Roberto Hernandez 131<br />
10th Doug Jones 129</p>

<p>Active guys:<br />
Arold Chapman is at 165 right now with 826 IP. <br />
Kimbrel at 159 with 821 IP<br />
Kenley Jensen 155 with 930 IP</p>

<p>A shout out to The Quiz!</p>
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        <title>What a game by Muncy last night...</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1122164/what-a-game-by-muncy-last-night</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2026 14:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>olb31</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Average fielder clutch hitter when healthy. Since he got his glasses he's hitting around 250.</p>
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        <title>galaxy&#39;s golf cards &amp; memo</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1119019/galaxys-golf-cards-memo</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2025 01:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>galaxy27</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>this creation is taking place here because it's where 99% of my posts reside.  you guys are my brothers from other mothers.  besides, it's technically sports talk anyway.</p>

<p>golf is far and away my favorite sport; i started slapping balls around when i was 8.  as a result of that affinity, i've been attending professional tournaments for many years.  it wasn't until a decade ago that my love for them and my collecting proclivities began to coalesce.  honestly, i'm moderately upset that i didn't start earlier, because i never met Arnold Palmer and thus never received fresh ink from him.  and that unparalleled human being would sign until his fingers went numb.  i have nightmares about those missed opportunities.  but a glass half-full approach is being thankful for what i have in fact accumulated, and i genuinely am.</p>

<p>each year i hit up 3-4 tournaments and pester old-school or modern-day pros while there -- depending on the tournament.  it is my crack.  for many hobbyists it's about the value of what they own.  i sincerely couldn't care less about that.  some of the autographs i possess probably couldn't pay for two gallons of gas, while others i could turn into a nice chunk of change if i desired to.  but they are equivalent in my eyes.  i've never once sold a graph i obtained myself.  and that's because the indelible memory that each one represents is invaluable.  from cards to flags to masters badges to balls, i have john hancocks on a lot of items.  tonight i felt compelled to show some pieces of cardboard.  when i get a wild hair i'll revisit this thread and deviate.</p>

<p>i must say one other thing before the unveiling.  golfers are the bee's knees.  they are so accessible and so down-to-earth.  and that's because a) they know who butters their bread, but more importantly, b) they truly are just like you and me.  they just so happen to be able to do something that you and i cannot.  i have so many unabridged anecdotes i could share, but for now i'll tie my fingers together and show something more interesting than my words.</p>

<p>below is a hodgepodge of cards that have been graciously signed.  if you were to ask me about any of these men, my response would be the same:  all stand-up, all gregarious, all incredibly nice.  a few thoughts on some of them:</p>

<p>Gary Player -- he may live to be 127.  possesses the vigor of a man half his age.  signs like the champion he is, even at the tender age of 90.</p>

<p>Lee Trevino -- if someone ever creates an "athletes you'd love to have a beer with, past or present" thread, Merry Mex might be my #1 choice.  dude is a comedian in golfer's clothing.</p>

<p>Jordan Spieth -- my favorite.  not the player he once was, but still the guy he's always been.  once saw him signing autographs with one hand...........while holding his newborn in the other.</p>

<p>Corey Pavin -- third card from the left, bottom row.  my girlfriend handed him that card from the 1985 Miller Press set and he studied it for about 5 seconds.  he looked up and said, "i got really ugly." <img src="https://forums.collectors.com/resources/emoji/lol.png" title=":D" alt=":D" height="20" /></p>

<p>Jack Nicklaus -- i've lassoed the Golden Bear about 15 times over the years.  never gets old.  when he's signing something for me it feels like i'm having an out-of-body experience.</p>

<p>enjoy, and have a great weekend.</p>

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        <title>1980 New York Yankees</title>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2026 13:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>coolstanley</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>The 1980 Yankees won the division title over the Baltimore Orioles. The Orioles failed to reach the playoffs despite winning 100 games. Some fans say that might have been the best Orioles team in history. The Yankees won 103 games which was the most in the majors that year. A look at their pitchers staff that year, and its a wonder how they failed to win a single playoff game??</p>

<p>Tommy John<br />
Ron Guidry<br />
Luis Tiant<br />
Jim Kaat<br />
Gaylord Perry<br />
Rich Gossage</p>
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        <title>Over 100 degrees for the last hundred days...</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1105504/over-100-degrees-for-the-last-hundred-days</link>
        <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jul 2024 22:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>DocBenjamin</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Well, probably 50.</p>

<p>When does the first real college football game start?</p>

<p>Opening kickoff indicates Fall is not far off.</p>
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        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1121113/congratulations-to-usa-hockey-team-and-the-gold-medal</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2026 18:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>BLUEJAYWAY</dc:creator>
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        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1121839/tiger-woods-arrested-for-dui-after-rollover-car-crash-in-florida</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2026 21:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>coolstanley</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Tiger Woods was arrested for DUI after a rollover crash near his home in Florida on Friday, according to the Martin County Sheriff's Office.</p>

<p>According to police officials, Woods’ Range Rover was traveling at a high rate of speed on Beach Road near his home in Jupiter Island, Florida, just before 2 p.m. ET, when he tried to pass a work truck. Woods’ SUV clipped the back of the truck’s trailer and flipped onto its side.</p>

<p>Woods was uninjured and was able to climb out of the SUV on his own, according to police. The crash took place near 281 Beach Road, about four miles north of Woods' home. Woods, in the officers’ estimation, “did exemplify signs of impairment.”<br />
“The investigation started and initially right off the top, it did appear that the driver of the Land Rover might be impaired,” Marin County Sheriff John Budensiek said. “And at that point, the chief of Jupiter Island Police Department called me from the Martin County Sheriff's Office and asked for our assistance.”</p>

<p>The investigation determined that the pickup truck was attempting to turn into a driveway along Beach Road, and slowed to make the turn. The driver of the pickup truck observed a Range Rover closing at high speed, and attempted to get off the road, but was unable to do so because of the narrowness of the residential street. The Range Rover clipped the back end of the trailer and landed on the driver’s side.<br />
The individual driving that Land Rover was able to crawl out the passenger door of the car and was identified to be Mr. Tiger Woods,” Budensiek said. “Our DUI investigators came to the scene here and Mr. Woods did exemplify signs of impairment.”</p>

<p>Woods was described as “lethargic” on the scene, and attempted to explain the injuries and surgeries he has undergone in recent months. Woods underwent roadside tests, and was subsequently arrested and charged with DUI, property damage and refusal to submit to a lawful test. Woods was transported to the Martin County Jail. He refused a urinalysis test at the jail.</p>

<p>“He is cooperative, but he was not trying to incriminate himself,” Budensiek said. “So he was careful in what he said and didn't say.” By Florida statute, Woods was scheduled to remain incarcerated in the Martin County jail for eight hours after his arrest, and would then be released on bond.<br />
Neither Woods nor the driver of the pickup were injured, and police officers did not observe medication in Woods’ vehicle. Woods was alone in his car, and climbed out of the passenger side of the vehicle prior to law enforcement’s arrival.</p>

<p>The Martin County Sheriff’s Office did not have exact figures on how fast Woods was going when he overtook the pickup truck, but given that the speed limit in the area is 30 mph, and Woods’ car suffered substantial damage, the speed was clearly significant.</p>

<p>“We know we arrested a high-profile figure,” Budensiek said. “I'm not trying to dramatize, but it doesn't matter who you are. If you break the law, we're going to follow the law. That's a really easy path to take.<br />
However, Budensiek added that Woods will be protected while in jail. “As far as being in the jail, we're going to make sure he's safe,” he said. “We're not going to put him in general population. He's not going to be with other inmates that can hurt him or try to capitalize on what he did. He'll pay the price, but he's not going to pay the price by getting punished in jail.”</p>

<p>Budensiek noted that fortunately no cars were on the opposite side of the road from Woods’ wreck. “Had there been somebody moving in the opposite direction, we would not be having a conversation saying there was no injuries,” he said. “This could have been a lot worse.”</p>

<p>Woods made his return to professional golf on Tuesday as part of the TGL indoor golf final, where his Jupiter Links Golf Club came up short. It was Woods' first competitive golf since the 2024 Open Championship, after suffering a ruptured Achilles in March 2025 and another surgery for a lumbar disc replacement in October.</p>
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        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1121449/2026-march-madness</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2026 12:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>VikingDude</dc:creator>
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        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1121964/aj-brown-traded-to-the-pats</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2026 19:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>galaxy27</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>Maye gets a new play toy, but it may be one miscreant replacing another (Diggs to Brown)</p>

<p>but i get why both teams did it</p>

<p>curious what the resident Eagles &amp; Pats fans think about this one</p>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2026 03:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>BLUEJAYWAY</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>A gentleman in Lexington, Kentucky was arrested and charged with DUI for riding his horse in an inebriated condition. He was "pulled over" by an officer as he noted something amiss with the "driver" of said horse.He was on his way home from the liquor store. So be careful folks if you drink and drive on your riding mower. Least you can't be nailed for speeding.</p>
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        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1121942/bulls-waive-jaden-ivey-after-remark-about-nbas-pride-month</link>
        <pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2026 21:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>coolstanley</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>The Chicago Bulls have waived guard Jaden Ivey following videos he posted where his rant about religion and other topics led to him calling out the NBA for celebrating Pride Month.</p>

<p>The Bulls announced the move on Monday, saying it was due to conduct detrimental to the team.</p>

<p>Ivey’s video calling out the league was posted on Monday morning, as he said it was "unrighteousness" that the NBA would celebrate Pride Month.<br />
Ivey has been posting similar videos with rants in recent weeks, while the 24-year-old has noted in the past he deals with depression.</p>

<p>"The world can proclaim LGBTQ, right?" Ivey said in his latest video. "They proclaim Pride Month and the NBA. They proclaim it. They show it to the world. They say, ‘Come join us for Pride Month to celebrate unrighteousness.’ They proclaim it. They proclaim it on the billboards. They proclaim in the streets. Unrighteousness. So, how is it that one can’t speak righteousness? Who are they to say that this man is crazy?"</p>
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        <pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2026 12:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>stevek</dc:creator>
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<p>This years recipient. The entire New York Jets football team.</p>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2026 23:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>LandrysFedora</dc:creator>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2026 21:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>coolstanley</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>It went to Redskins kicker Mark Moseley. Strike shortened year. Bengals QB Ken Anderson won the MVP award the previous year in 1981. In 1982 he led the Bengals to their 2nd straight division title. Anderson led the league that year in QB rating, Completion percentage, and completions.</p>
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        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1121443/name-some-players-and-years-that-you-fondly-remember-from-march-madness-tournaments-of-the-past</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2026 02:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Hallco</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>My company is doing a "March Madness" promotion and I am making a collage for my office. After a few days,  I have these players represented:</p>

<p>Lew Alcindor<br />
Bill Walton<br />
The 1983 NC State team and coach Val<br />
Patrick Ewing<br />
Bird and Magic<br />
Danny Manning<br />
Christian Laetner<br />
Allen Iverson<br />
Carmelo Anthony<br />
Steph Curry<br />
Shabazz Napier<br />
Ja Morant</p>

<p>And although he's not a player, I had to get one of Dickie V!</p>

<p>Also a couple of women's players.....Raven Johnson and Caitlin Clark. I have heard both names, but honestly have never seen either one play. I found pictures online.</p>

<p>Feel free to post names of players who you have memories of having great tournaments(Winning the title is not necessary obviously). I look forward to some great replies! <img src="https://forums.collectors.com/resources/emoji/smile.png" title=":)" alt=":)" height="20" /></p>
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        <title>Chuck Norris has died.</title>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2026 17:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>Maywood</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>I know he was the butt of jokes here but there was a time when he was at the forefront of the Action movie/hero genre. I enjoyed him as a Texas Ranger. RIP.</p>

<p>Maywood</p>
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        <title>DO YOU LIKE THE WORLD BASEBALL CLASIC?</title>
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        <pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2026 17:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>tommyrusty7</dc:creator>
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        <title>Delete...Ctrl+Alt+Del...</title>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2026 01:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>GroceryRackPack</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>What do you guys think...??? 🤔🤔🤔</p>
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        <title>My thanks to Winesteven for selling me this new Frosty Franklin</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1121616/my-thanks-to-winesteven-for-selling-me-this-new-frosty-franklin</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2026 21:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>SanctionII</dc:creator>
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<p>It upgrades my current best 1961 (a PF68CAM).</p>
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        <title>Matt Snell 1941– 2026</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1121496/matt-snell-1941-2026</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2026 16:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>GroceryRackPack</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/rc/iflf5lbdusg3.jpg" alt="" title="" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/6027503/uploads/editor/rc/iflf5lbdusg3.jpg 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/6027503/uploads/editor/rc/iflf5lbdusg3.jpg 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/6027503/uploads/editor/rc/iflf5lbdusg3.jpg 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/6027503/uploads/editor/rc/iflf5lbdusg3.jpg 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/6027503/uploads/editor/rc/iflf5lbdusg3.jpg 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/6027503/uploads/editor/rc/iflf5lbdusg3.jpg 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/rc/iflf5lbdusg3.jpg" sizes="100vw" /><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/ix/n6sdn9aqfy2b.jpg" alt="" title="" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/6027503/uploads/editor/ix/n6sdn9aqfy2b.jpg 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/6027503/uploads/editor/ix/n6sdn9aqfy2b.jpg 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/6027503/uploads/editor/ix/n6sdn9aqfy2b.jpg 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/6027503/uploads/editor/ix/n6sdn9aqfy2b.jpg 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/6027503/uploads/editor/ix/n6sdn9aqfy2b.jpg 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/6027503/uploads/editor/ix/n6sdn9aqfy2b.jpg 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/ix/n6sdn9aqfy2b.jpg" sizes="100vw" /><br /><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/3h/flhg2c30fp11.jpg" alt="" title="" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/6027503/uploads/editor/3h/flhg2c30fp11.jpg 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/6027503/uploads/editor/3h/flhg2c30fp11.jpg 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/6027503/uploads/editor/3h/flhg2c30fp11.jpg 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/6027503/uploads/editor/3h/flhg2c30fp11.jpg 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/6027503/uploads/editor/3h/flhg2c30fp11.jpg 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/6027503/uploads/editor/3h/flhg2c30fp11.jpg 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/3h/flhg2c30fp11.jpg" sizes="100vw" /><br /><img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/0u/cjpq7mtuyf5t.jpg" alt="" title="" srcset="https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=300, width=300/6027503/uploads/editor/0u/cjpq7mtuyf5t.jpg 300w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=600, width=600/6027503/uploads/editor/0u/cjpq7mtuyf5t.jpg 600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=800, width=800/6027503/uploads/editor/0u/cjpq7mtuyf5t.jpg 800w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1200, width=1200/6027503/uploads/editor/0u/cjpq7mtuyf5t.jpg 1200w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=1600, width=1600/6027503/uploads/editor/0u/cjpq7mtuyf5t.jpg 1600w, https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=80, format=auto, fit=scale-down, height=2000, width=2000/6027503/uploads/editor/0u/cjpq7mtuyf5t.jpg 2000w, https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/0u/cjpq7mtuyf5t.jpg" sizes="100vw" /></p>
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        <title>The official &quot;collectibles from my youth&quot; thread</title>
        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1098727/the-official-collectibles-from-my-youth-thread</link>
        <pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2023 20:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Sports Talk</category>
        <dc:creator>galaxy27</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>this could potentially be a fun read -- feel free to participate!</p>

<p>so, i was rummaging through some crap in my garage last weekend and lo and behold, i stumbled across this puppy. i hadn't seen this poster in ages. no, i was never a DC fan. but it was all Dallas Cowboys all the time where i grew up. i remember having a handful of these, including the one from '77 when they won the Super Bowl. but ostensibly this is the only one that survived.  i remember Mickey D's having a running promotion in the late 70s/early 80s and they dished these out.</p>

<p>i may try to track down Tony D (and anyone else on the '81 roster) at a card show one of these days and get them to slap their John Hancock on the front.</p>

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        <pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2026 13:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>craig44</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>I have been looking at Barry Bonds stats recently.  I got to wondering, had he not been frozen out after the 2007 season, how much longer could he have played?  how many homers could he have ended up with?</p>

<p>I imagine he would have been a great addition to an AL team at the time as he could have DH'ed.  that would have saved his knees and he probably would have been able to play a full season.  at least in 2008.</p>

<p>His last year, 2007, he slashed:  .480/.565/1.045.  He was still one of the very tippy top hitters at the time of his retirement.  He hit 28 home runs in only 340 AB's and was consistently pitched around as he led the league in IBB.</p>

<p>I think in a full season he could have hit 40 HR's in 2008.  that would have put him over 800 career.</p>

<p>I believe had he been able to play DH in the AL, he could have lasted another 3 seasons and gotten to 825 or perhaps even 850 HRs.</p>
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        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1121413/bid-fast-scottie-pippen-collection-of-bball-memorabilia</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2026 23:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>MsMorrisine</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>do you need?</p>

<ol start="6"><li>Scottie Pippen Personal Set of Championship Trophies ?</li>
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        <link>https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1120942/jim-palmer-best-of-the-70s-how-to-incorporate-ip-into-the-run-saving-equation-to-get-true-value</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2026 01:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>1948_Swell_Robinson</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>We have these discussions all the time.  Joe Blow was better because his ERA was 2.40 compared to Joe Schmoe who had a 2.66 ERA.   Then someone says, but Joe Schmoe threw 40 more innings and where is that value being accounted for?   The IP factor is a legitimate and key question.   But how much of those extra IP translate in the terms of the value?  Is 40 more IP at a slightly lower ERA going to lead to more value?   At what point does such a good ERA make it not even matter if someone else threw 40 more IP??   If Joe Blow's ERA was 1.88 make the extra 40 innings that Joe Schmoe threw irrelevant?  Most of the time we can eyeball it and come close....but many of times you need a little more accuracy.</p>

<p>The more innings you can pitch at a better than league average run prevention(or at a similar elite level run prevention), then the more runs you are saving for your team.  I think most understand and agree with that so I will leave that factor as it stands as a given.</p>

<p>This method is not new news. It was published in the book Total Baseball.  Back in the early 80's the stat of Pitcher Runs was created using that simple concept.    The pitchers ERA compared to the league ERA and then valued according to the amount of Innings pitched by the player.</p>

<p>What has followed since is that when WAR was invented and that formula started to attempt to incorporate the quality of the defenders behind the pitcher, the teams they pitched against, and the ballpark factor.  WAR cannot even accurately determine an individual's defensive contribution let alone even attempt to isolate an entire teams defenisve ability from that of the pitchers contribution...and that is one of the reasons why you get a lot of head scratching results when looking at a pitchers WAR for a season.  It doesn't pass the intuition test.</p>

<p>Palmer got a lot of easy pop outs and lazy fly balls and Ryan got a lot of K's....that is them, not the defenders.  WAR tries to diminish Palmer's pop outs and gives that credit to Belanger instead.</p>

<p>The following figures are straight up the pitchers ERA compared to the league and adding the value of their IP.  It does not even account for ballpark factor.  This is straight no adjustments(other than the league's ERA comparison).</p>

<p>For example.  It is widely accepted that the best pitching season of the 1970s was Ron Guidry's 1978 season.   According to the Pitcher Runs, it was.</p>

<p>Guidry was 61.6 runs saved above the league average in 1978 was the best mark of the 1970s</p>

<p>Second best was Jim Palmer in 1975 with 60.6 runs saved above average.   Palmer's inclusion might surprise people it might not.</p>

<p>Palmer threw 323 innings that year with a 2.09 ERA.  Guidry threw 273 innings with a 1.74 ERA.</p>

<p>Neither of those figures are park adjusted.  They do account for the league ERA though, but those were 3.78 and 3.76 respectively. It was the IP that had Palmer close the gap in their ERA's.</p>

<p>BaseballReference does not have the Pitcher Runs numbers.  What they have are the ones that incorporate the defense behind them.  Those are the ones that are giving wonky results.</p>

<p>The quick formula is simple:  IP/9 x (Individual ERA - League ERA) and that gives you Pitcher Runs that incorporates the value of the IP and the league ERA.  You might be off a half run or run since you aren't using the 3.794928290 ERA and just 3.79 etc...but you can do it for any player in any league you know the league ERA, the players ERA and their IP.  All easy to find.</p>

<p>So what I wanted to talk about was Jim Palmer.  He won three Cy Young awards and won 20+ games all the time in the 70's.  He is certainly not undervalued by people who watched him back then with their frame of statistical reference.</p>

<p>He is however underrated with WAR.  WAR is saying Mark Belanger, Brooks, and Grich are the reason why Palmer had great ERA's...even though Palmer was a fly ball pitcher.   I believe those fielders were good...but the Pitcher is the one earning and when a pitcher has continued to excel with other players at those same positions, then it should show you right there it is the pitcher.</p>

<p>So back to the best of the 1970s.   Tom Seaver is almost universally said to be the best of the 1970s.   Here is a real simple ranking of the best Pitcher Runs of the entire 1970s'</p>

<p>Palmer 339<br />
Seaver 312<br />
Perry 243<br />
Blyleven 217<br />
Carlton 164<br />
Ryan 160</p>

<p>For their careers:<br />
Seaver 422<br />
Palmer 378<br />
Perry 315<br />
Ryan 314<br />
Carlton 240</p>

<p>So clearly at their peak it is Palmer and Seaver at number one and two and not really anyone else to challenge.</p>

<p>The career actually surprises a little that Palmer is still close to Seaver and ahed of Ryan(with Ryan's known longevity dominance).<br />
Also considering Palmer missed all of 1968 with an injury and only had 49 IP in 1967.</p>

<p>Just thought I would give Jim Palmer the due he received back then but is getting unfairly dinged by a newer metric that is simply not accurate in defining defensive value and not giving the pitcher proper credit for inducing easy or routine outs.   As I showed before, the reserves for Bill Mazeroski and Ozzie Smith on those same teams got to the same amount of balls as they did...so they can't even get that part right.</p>

<p>Giving Palmer his due even if WAR does not get it right.</p>
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