Hammered gold on parade! Post yours! (All ancient and medieval gold!)

lordmarcovan · October 21, 2014 12:43AM

The original title to this thread was: "I found the medieval hammered gold piece I've been looking for for a while!"

But since it is taking some time to upload pictures and I'll be launching that in its own thread, I will repurpose this thread and hereby proclaim this a "hammered gold" thread for all to participate in.

Ancient gold counts, too. So now SE1795 can wow us even more.

Let's see your ancient and medieval gold! All pre-milled gold coinage!

Aethelred · October 21, 2014 1:04AM

Can't wait to see it.

Drop a hint, what country is it from?

lordmarcovan · October 21, 2014 1:16AM

<< Can't wait to see it.

Drop a hint, what country is it from? >>

I ran it by Andres for advice before pulling the trigger, so there is your hint.

I have had one of this type in my VCoins wish list for more than six months, but just stumbled across this one yesterday.

It was both nicer and less expensive than the one I'd had my eye on.

And when I saw the toning, I had to have it. You don't see CircCam gold too often!

ajaan · October 21, 2014 2:22AM

Canada?

Andres · October 21, 2014 5:39AM

a medieval hammered gold coin from Canada

Hussulo · October 21, 2014 6:29AM

You can never go wrong with hammered gold. Can't wait to see it.

lordmarcovan · October 21, 2014 7:10AM

<< Canada? >>

Actually, as the 'Shroom may have known, a 1977 Canada gold $100 with the Silver Jubilee reverse was on my short list. I browsed a few, but the ones I looked at either had specks or hairlines or were overpriced. I did find one I sort of liked, but before I spent my money on a modern gold piece I thought I would browse for hammered gold again. And after some searching, I found some European dealers I hadn't been aware of before.

I will upload pix later tonight from work, when I have a decent connection. Our satellite connection out here is presently running slower than the dialup we had in 1999.

ajaan · October 21, 2014 7:34AM

Living on the US/Canada border, I've seen a few hammered Canadians.

SmEagle1795 · October 21, 2014 8:22AM

Looking forward to it!!

trozau · October 21, 2014 8:36AM

<< Living on the US/Canada border, I've seen a few hammered Canadians. >>

LOL! It's HAMMER time!

NiceCurrency · October 21, 2014 8:59AM

I know hardly anything about this time period so I don't think I've actually seen one yet, seems they were hot and heavy into silver usage

LochNESS · October 21, 2014 10:42AM

Congratulations buddy! May I be the first to wish you a hearty "mazel-tov"

In honor of your newp - over which we are all anxious to salivate - I humbly submit a pic of my only hammered gold piece.

1960NYGiants · October 21, 2014 10:52AM

<< Living on the US/Canada border, I've seen a few hammered Canadians. >>

I once was a hammered American in Canada! Does that count?

ajaan · October 21, 2014 11:03AM

<< I once was a hammered American in Canada! Does that count? >>

C.N.A. convention?

harasha · October 21, 2014 11:37AM

Hey, if we are going to turn this thread into a parade of hammered gold, here are my two pieces:

Henry VIII half crown

James I

lordmarcovan · October 21, 2014 3:43PM

<< Congratulations buddy! May I be the first to wish you a hearty "mazel-tov"

In honor of your newp - over which we are all anxious to salivate - I humbly submit a pic of my only hammered gold piece.

>>

I have always wanted one of those.

Nice ones, harasha.

Hey, a parade of hammered gold- I like the idea. Think I'll change the title of this thread.

lordmarcovan · October 21, 2014 4:53PM

And here is my newp:

Netherlands (Gelderland): "St. John" type gold gulden (florin) of Arnold van Egmond, ca. 1423-1472

Obverse: St. John the Baptist, standing and facing, "S.IOHANNES-BABTISTA" (lion).
Reverse: coats of arms, "+ DVX.ARNOLD'.GEL.Z.IVL.Z.COMIS.Z."

LochNESS · October 21, 2014 5:34PM

<< And here is my newp:

Netherlands (Gelderland): "St. John" type gold gulden (florin) of Arnold van Egmond, ca. 1423-1472

Obverse: St. John the Baptist, standing and facing, "S.IOHANNES-BABTISTA" (lion).
Reverse: coats of arms, "+ DVX.ARNOLD'.GEL.Z.IVL.Z.COMIS.Z."

>>

Salivating has officially begun. WOWZERS that is a thing of beauty! Approx. 150 years older than my Scottish piece, and more detail IMO. The lettering is easily read and the design stands out very clearly. Good job buddy

Enjoy her in good health for many years to come

SmEagle1795 · October 21, 2014 5:41PM

<< And here is my newp:

Netherlands (Gelderland): "St. John" type gold gulden (florin) of Arnold van Egmond, ca. 1423-1472

Obverse: St. John the Baptist, standing and facing, "S.IOHANNES-BABTISTA" (lion).
Reverse: coats of arms, "+ DVX.ARNOLD'.GEL.Z.IVL.Z.COMIS.Z."

>>

Oh, that is very nice! The toning and detail is fantastic. If you manage to take a new picture and have both sides slightly more centered, I can put it in a reflection template if you like.

I'll need to go through and collect the images of my ancient gold for a "family shot". I just won two new pieces in the last two days which are some new highlights to my collection, but in the meantime, I'll post this new-to-the-forum Alexander the Great stater. It's technically a duplicate to my distater but I absolutely loved the style and couldn't pass it up:

LochNESS · October 21, 2014 5:46PM

<< ... technically a duplicate to my distater ... >>

The other day I was staring at a gorgeous coin and, in my stupor, uttered a crude comment. My wife said it was very distater-full.

Sorry I couldn't resist a little late-night humor. Awesome Alexander stater. That bust looks huge! I believe there is more gold in the bust than in the fields. That's crazy awesome.

lordmarcovan · October 21, 2014 5:48PM

<< If you manage to take a new picture and have both sides slightly more centered, I can put it in a reflection template if you like. >>

Thanks very much for that offer.

This one will be going off for TrueView service. Sometime I might take you up on that offer for the one or two other pieces I have left that arent either in TrueViews or with reflection templates, though?

This is currently my only other piece of non-milled gold.

trozau · October 22, 2014 3:09AM

I have one of this. Does it qualify as hammered? Not ancient nor medieval...

Keicho Koban
Early kobans (c.1600) weighed 18 grams of 842 fine gold. Kobans made in the mid-1800s weighed 11.2 grams of 600 fine gold. And the last koban made in the 1860s weighed only 3.3 grams of 600 fine gold. Below is a modern day reproduction of the 1600's Japan Keicho Koban (pic from Panda America)...

1990 struck BU Japan Keicho Koban. This recently issued Japan Mint Keicho Koban commemorative is an impressive size of 75mm x 38mm and weighs 19.5 grams of pure (9999 fine) gold. They are made in the classic way, hand struck with a number of punches indicating the denomination, authority under which it was issued, the mint and the era during which it was produced.

Hussulo · October 22, 2014 4:48AM

Lovely coin Lord M and that great Scottish hammered looks familiar LochNESS

TIF2 · October 22, 2014 5:38AM

Gorgeous stater, SmEagle-- and fabulous photo!

I have only one "hammered" gold coin and looks like it suffered further hammering over the years.

Mick Jagger's great^45 grandfather?

Constantine IV Pogonatus, CE 668-685
AV tremissis, 1.4 gm, 17 mm
Constantinople mint
Obv: DN CONSTANTINUS PPAG; Pearl-diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right
Rev: VICTORIA AVGUS; cross potent; CONOB
Ref: SB 1161
from a mostly undescribed mixed lot of Byzantines, Gorny & Mosch Oct 2013

NiceCurrency · October 22, 2014 6:12AM

<< 
Mick Jagger's great^45 grandfather?
] >>

LochNESS · October 22, 2014 8:01AM

<< Lovely coin Lord M and that great Scottish hammered looks familiar LochNESS

>>

Yes it is lovely and has the bonus of a great pedigree

haha

WillieBoyd2 · October 22, 2014 11:59AM

I have a few Byzantine coins, all struck in Constantinople, here is one:

Heraclius AU Solidus Victory
Obverse:
dN hERACLI-VS PP AVG
Bust facing with short beard and moustache, wearing plumed helmet, holding cross
Reverse:
VICTORIA AVGu E
Cross potent on three steps, CONOB below
Metal: Gold, Size: 22mm, Weight: 4.46gm
Catalog: Sear 731
Struck: AD 610-613 Constantinople

lordmarcovan · October 22, 2014 3:38PM

Great stuff. I like the "Mick Jagger Ancestral Coin".

WB2, you should post your Antoninus Pius aureus. I wouldn't mind seeing it again.

Trozau- I wondered about those Japanese coins, and must confess I don't know a whole lot about how they were made.

Here is my smaller contribution on that front, however:

Swampboy · October 22, 2014 4:54PM

My lone hammered gold piece.
Minted in Constantinople
Justin II
565-578 A.D.

lordmarcovan · October 22, 2014 5:33PM

A lot more of you than I realized had Byzantine gold tucked away!

Guess I shouldn't be too surprised, since it's relatively affordable for ancient gold. A nice way to hold some very old gold, right?

SaorAlba · October 22, 2014 9:15PM

England, Edward III Noble minted during the Treaty Period ca. 1364-5 when there was a brief peace with France - thus there are no French titles on this coin:

I believe this is my currently oldest gold coin and one that when I purchased it was rather dear.

lordmarcovan · October 22, 2014 11:32PM

<< when I purchased it was rather dear. >>

Umm... yeah?

I believe that coin has been "rather dear" for all of its six and a half centuries of existence.

Wasn't exactly a piece of chump change back in its own time, and I am unsurprised that it would cost a goodly amount of modern change to purchase.

Tibor · October 23, 2014 3:02AM

I just found your thread today. In response to your wantlist the early dated gold coins
are rather available but pricey. The 1437 and 1438 German pieces come with coats of arms.
The 1490+ German pieces come with St. John the Baptist or the Virgin and Child. The silver
pieces also have coats of arms or other designs; the fancier the design the more costly
the piece. A web site, ma-shops.com has usually 30+ pieces listed. Type in the word
levinson into the search box. Bob Levinson wrote the book "The Early Dated Coins of Europe
1234-1500". This book is a welcome addition to any numismatic library. I hope this
helps; PM me if you have any questions. Tibor

lordmarcovan · October 23, 2014 3:13AM

<< I just found your thread today. In response to your wantlist the early dated gold coins
are rather available but pricey. The 1437 and 1438 German pieces come with coats of arms.
The 1490+ German pieces come with St. John the Baptist or the Virgin and Child. The silver
pieces also have coats of arms or other designs; the fancier the design the more costly
the piece. A web site, ma-shops.com has usually 30+ pieces listed. Type in the word
levinson into the search box. Bob Levinson wrote the book "The Early Dated Coins of Europe
1234-1500". This book is a welcome addition to any numismatic library. I hope this
helps; PM me if you have any questions. Tibor >>

Thank you. I have the Levinson book, though I have yet to own a single coin listed in it. I have used "Levinson" as a keyword search on VCoins several times. Central Utah Coins seems to sell a lot of early dated material.

The goldgulden I just bought isn't a dated piece, but I'm happy enough with it. Maybe one day I'll have a dated one.

PeaceBD · October 23, 2014 3:27AM

Nice coin LordM. Here are a few hammered gold coins from my collection.

India- Gujarat Sultanate: Sham al-Din Muzaffar II, Gold Tanka, G&G G231. AH 920. 11.38g.
Ex. Paul Stevens Collection.

India- Gujarat Sultanate: Nasir al-Din Mahmud III, Gold Tanka, G&G G412. Fr-590. 11.98g (100 Rati Tanka), 19 mm. AH 958. Undocumented date.

INDIA-Mysore: 1783-1795 AD. Tipu Sultan, Gold Pagoda (3.42 gm; 11 mm). Dated 1198 AH/RY 2. Mint: Patan. KM# 129.

INDIA- Kushan Empire. Vasudeva I (ca. AD 192-225). AV dinar

India-Madras Presidency, ND(1740-1807), 3 Swami Pagoda (1/2 figure deities), Mint: Fort St.George. KM# 304, Pridmore # 3B. Ex.Eric P. Newman Collection

India-Bengal Presidency, Mohur, KM# 31.Pridmore # 217, Stevens# 7.22. Mint: Muhammadabad Banaras. In name of Emperor Shah Alam II. Ex.Gardener Collection.

lordmarcovan · October 23, 2014 3:38AM

Nice to see some Eastern stuff.

I think I'm too Eurocentric in my collecting sometimes.

NiceCurrency · October 23, 2014 4:13AM

The only piece of gold I own is the Ex: LordM Ex: Eliasberg piece of Zeno

and I really like this coin a lot

Swampboy · October 23, 2014 10:12AM

<< and I really like this coin a lot >>

It is

NC

hchcoin · October 23, 2014 11:55AM

I am amazed that they could make such beautiful coins back then. What did they use for coin dies? What material were they? How did they engrave them? The dies had to be engraved incuse right? What did they use to hammer the coins? Did they heat the planchet so it was easier?

Since I know nothing about hammered coins or ancient coins, can someone point me in the direction of a resource that explains the process? The darkside is fascinating

WillieBoyd2 · October 23, 2014 12:26PM

Those Indian pieces are lovely!

In responce to LM's request:

Antoninus Pius is my favorite Roman Emperor and when I had the funds to purchase an Aureus,
I bought this one:

Antoninus Pius Aureus - Standing with Globe
Obverse:
Laureate head right
ANTONINVS AVG PIVS P P IMP II
Reverse:
Antoninus wearing toga, standing left, holding globe in right hand
TR POT XIX COS IIII

Size: 19.5mm
Weight: 7.26gm
Catalog: RIC 256a
Struck: AD 155-156, Rome

"He's got the whole world in his hands"

NiceCurrency · October 23, 2014 12:48PM

that is a fabulous piece WillieBoyd2!

worldcoinguy · October 19, 2019 6:33AM

Giving this thread a 5 year bump to share a couple of new bishopric themed purchases. Some neat variety in this thread.

Gold gulden from the Archbishopric and Electorate of Mainz. Issued by Archbishop Johann II von Nassau, (1397-1419). Bingen mint. The Archbishop is seated on a throne with the shield of Mainz below. Reverse has the traditional Mainz wheel in an ornate shield. Fr-1615, Felke 576

Goldgulden from the Archbishopric and Electorate Trier. Issued by Archbishop Warner von Falkenstein, (1388-1418). Oberwesel mint. St. Peter is standing on the obverse holding the traditional key to heaven. Reverse has the city arms in a trefoil. Freiberg 3428, Noss 334b.

lordmarcovan · October 26, 2019 2:34AM

@NiceCurrency said:
The only piece of gold I own is the Ex: LordM Ex: Eliasberg piece of Zeno

(Image)

and I really like this coin a lot

(Five-year-belated reply):

Nice to see that one again!

Here 'tis, as seen when it did service as the centerpiece of my once-famous "Holey Gold Hat".

(Other coins seen in front are an 1860 $3 piece and an 1834 quarter-eagle.)

robp2 · October 27, 2019 5:08PM

A few diverse hammered gold.

Henry VII angel (1498-99) struck from a heavily rusted obverse die on a small flan. Although it looks clipped, the weight is less than 0.1g below spec, so unless excessively overweight when struck is unlikely to have been clipped. Of interest is the lance head, as this die marks the transition point from the 3 pellet cross head utilised prior to this, to the small crosses on each of the three arms that superseded this die.

Gallo-Belgic geometric quarter stater (c.150-50BC).

Edward IV light coinage Ryal or Rose-Noble of 10 shillings with mm. cross fitchee

James I Rose-Ryal current for 33 shillings. The obverse die is virtually worn out by this point, having been in use for 5 pyx periods over a period of at least 4 years (1609-1613, but possibly earlier and/or later). The obverse mintmark is cinquefoil over trefoil over tower over mullet over coronet. The reverse die is cinquefoil over trefoil over tower. Gold was repriced in 1612, being revalued up by 10%

lordmarcovan · October 28, 2019 1:32PM

Some (indeed most) of the hammered gold I have owned since this recently-resurrected thread last saw sunlight.

(The first is technically electrum).

worldcoinguy · October 28, 2019 8:19PM

Lord M - great variety. Is the 3rd one from Cologne?

yosclimber · October 31, 2019 8:26PM

3rd coin is the original thread subject - John the Baptist, Netherlands. See his post upthread:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/11003156/#Comment_11003156
4th coin is from Belgium (I cheated and used the Cert #).

worldcoinguy · October 31, 2019 8:37PM

@yosclimber - oh geez. I suppose an ounce of detective work would have helped. Thanks for setting me straight.

lordmarcovan · November 3, 2019 6:28AM

@worldcoinguy said:
Lord M - great variety. Is the 3rd one from Cologne?

@yosclimber said:
4th coin is from Belgium (I cheated and used the Cert #).

Here's the writeup on that 4th coin. Belgium, yes, though predating the nation of Belgium. It is from Brabant.

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/belgium-brabant-gold-florin-carolus-d’or-of-holy-roman-emperor-charles-v-ca-1521-1545.287804/

WillieBoyd2 · November 3, 2019 10:41AM

France's King Louis XI (1461-1483):

France Louis XI Ecu d'or
Gold, 27 mm, 3.34 gm, Perpignan Mint
Obverse:
Shield with three fleur-de-lis on it and crown above
LVDOVICVS DEI GRA FRANCOR REX
Reverse:
Cross with fleur-de-lis at ends, mintmark 'P' in center (Perpignan Mint)
XPS VINCIT XPS REGNAT XPS IMPERAT (Christ conquers, Christ reigns, Christ commands)

More about King Louis XI who was known as the "Spider King" and who kept wild turkeys as pets
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1016422/louis-xi-the-spider-king-of-france-1461-1483-and-his-pet-turkeys

yosclimber · November 4, 2019 5:47PM

@lordmarcovan said:

@worldcoinguy said:
Lord M - great variety. Is the 3rd one from Cologne?

@yosclimber said:
4th coin is from Belgium (I cheated and used the Cert #).

Here's the writeup on that 4th coin. Belgium, yes, though predating the nation of Belgium. It is from Brabant.

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/belgium-brabant-gold-florin-carolus-d’or-of-holy-roman-emperor-charles-v-ca-1521-1545.287804/

KAROLVS D G ROM IMP, pretty cool.

Hammered gold on parade! Post yours! (All ancient and medieval gold!)

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