Peter Edward Rose...OH OH...turn out the lights Pete.

MCMLVTopps · June 22, 2015 11:14PM

Newly exposed documents show Pete bet on baseball as a player as well as manager. After 15 years of denials, one of the greatest to ever play the game, admitted to betting on baseball...about 2 months ago Pete denied betting as a player. Looks like a big oops and now (IMO) forever locked out of Cooperstown.

See ESPN article by William Weinbaum and T.J.Quinn. It appears that Pete was up to his ears in debt to the mob.

JoeBanzai · June 22, 2015 11:39PM

This news shouldn't surprise anyone. Why else would Pete agree to the lifetime ban in order to stop the investigation? The only reason I could think of is because it was in his best interest. Proof he bet against his own team would be a HUGE nail in his HOF coffin. Shouldn't really matter though, betting on any game you are involved in is quite enough.

keets · June 23, 2015 4:12AM

Pete Rose should be in the HOF....................period.

grote15 · June 23, 2015 4:14AM

What slim chance he had under new commissioner is gone now.

Moot point anyway as he wouldn't get enough votes anyway.

perkdog · June 23, 2015 9:47AM

At 74 years old I don't think Pete cares anymore

grote15 · June 23, 2015 10:42AM

<< At 74 years old I don't think Pete cares anymore >>

Actually, at age 74, this may be the ONLY thing he cares about, Paul, LOL..

RoarIn84 · June 23, 2015 10:48AM

I am still not feeling the hate for Rose. I understand he now will never get in, but I still don't agree. "No Betting" seems like a rule of thumb that is taken way too seriously. PEDs alter you physically and give you an unfair advantage. Rose did what he did on natural ability and hard work. I will never believe Rose bet against himself as he had too much respect for the game. Gambling is an addiction like drugs, food, sex, etc, and something like this seems like it would just make him play even harder. Just wondering, but besides himself, who is the victim in this crime? Racking my brain here!!! Doesn't matter. True baseball fans know Rose is a HOFer and one of the hardest playing athletes to ever play organized sports. I only hope this devalues his rookie card so I can finally afford a nice one...

calaban7 · June 23, 2015 11:07AM

<< 

<< At 74 years old I don't think Pete cares anymore >>

Actually, at age 74, this may be the ONLY thing he cares about, Paul, LOL.. >>

+ 1

digicat · June 23, 2015 11:58AM

<< I will never believe Rose bet against himself as he had too much respect for the game. >>

If he had so much respect for the game, he would have followed the rules, no?

grote15 · June 23, 2015 1:04PM

"No Betting" seems like a rule of thumb that is taken way too seriously.

You are 100% wrong.

Nothing is worse than compromising the integrity of the game and the institution of baseball.

It is the reason why the punishmewnts are so severe.

Baseball can can past the PED users and the cheaters. But once the bookies gain control and the outcome of the games is called into question, the game is ruined completely.

You have to get past the rose-colored glasses for Pete and realize this to understand.

In addition, I have no doubt that Dowd is correct when he says there was strong evidence that Rose bet against the Reds, as well as for them, and had Rose not agreed to the lifetime ban in order to stop the investigation, that would have also come to light. Rose has zero credibility and is a pathological liar. Like you said, gambling is a disease and people afflicted by it are not thinking rationally. And even if he did not bet against the Reds, on nights he did not bet on them he is sending a message to the bookies that he believes they cannot win. Any way you slice it, there is aboslutely no place for betting in baseball. Period.

Tabe · June 23, 2015 4:22PM

<< I see the crime in betting on your team to lose, but I do not see the crime in betting on your team to win. >>

If you only bet to win, when you don't bet, you're essentially placing a bet to lose.

MCMLVTopps · June 23, 2015 9:49PM

You are 100% wrong.

Nothing is worse than compromising the integrity of the game and the institution of baseball.

It is the reason why the punishmewnts are so severe.

Baseball can can past the PED users and the cheaters. But once the bookies gain control and the outcome of the games is called into question, the game is ruined completely.

You have to get past the rose-colored glasses for Pete and realize this to understand.

In addition, I have no doubt that Dowd is correct when he says there was strong evidence that Rose bet against the Reds, as well as for them, and had Rose not agreed to the lifetime ban in order to stop the investigation, that would have also come to light. Rose has zero credibility and is a pathological liar. Like you said, gambling is a disease and people afflicted by it are not thinking rationally. And even if he did not bet against the Reds, on nights he did not bet on them he is sending a message to the bookies that he believes they cannot win. Any way you slice it, there is aboslutely no place for betting in baseball. Period.

+1

JoeBanzai · June 23, 2015 11:35PM

<< "No Betting" seems like a rule of thumb that is taken way too seriously.

You are 100% wrong.

Nothing is worse than compromising the integrity of the game and the institution of baseball.

It is the reason why the punishmewnts are so severe.

Baseball can can past the PED users and the cheaters. But once the bookies gain control and the outcome of the games is called into question, the game is ruined completely.

You have to get past the rose-colored glasses for Pete and realize this to understand.

In addition, I have no doubt that Dowd is correct when he says there was strong evidence that Rose bet against the Reds, as well as for them, and had Rose not agreed to the lifetime ban in order to stop the investigation, that would have also come to light. Rose has zero credibility and is a pathological liar. Like you said, gambling is a disease and people afflicted by it are not thinking rationally. And even if he did not bet against the Reds, on nights he did not bet on them he is sending a message to the bookies that he believes they cannot win. Any way you slice it, there is aboslutely no place for betting in baseball. Period. >>

Thank you. This is the answer to the Pete Rose issue.

ymarea · June 24, 2015 1:03AM

"I see the crime in betting on your team to lose, but I do not see the crime in betting on your team to win."

Suppose one bets only on his team to win. What's to stop him from corrupting an opposing player by giving him a "cut" of the winnings? The gambler can have 50K riding on his team while offering the opposing pitcher 20K to groove a few pitches, or the opposing SS 10K to make an error or two.

Betting by active members is a bad thing, no matter how you slice it.

bronco2078 · June 24, 2015 1:20AM

<< I will never believe Rose bet against himself as he had too much respect for the game. Gambling is an addiction like drugs, food, sex, etc, and something like this seems like it would just make him play even harder. >>

Addicts have no respect for anything they only care about their addiction. The whole world revolves around what they are addicted to.

garnettstyle · June 24, 2015 6:41AM

We are not a perfect people. Everyone is addicted to something.

PSASAP · June 24, 2015 8:45AM

For years it was legal for people in Congress to buy and sell stocks in companies that they had insider information on, or had the power to pass bills benefiting companies that they had shares. Where was the no betting sign in their offices?

MCMLVTopps · June 24, 2015 8:45AM

We are not a perfect people. Everyone is addicted to something.

Really? What are you addicted to?

As for me...well, let's see...I'm addicted to being happy and enjoying life...not sure if those meet the "addiction" requirements, but I do kinda focus on those two. When I was a kid, I was really into oreo cookies and milk after school...pretty sure I never missed an afternoon "fix" of that. I must admit to a package of those now and then. No drugs, no booze, guess I'm a low level addict.

As for Pete, well, I think he got in too deep with the mob and disrespecting the game...but mostly, I think he's addicted to stupidity and uber-hubris.

calaban7 · June 24, 2015 10:46AM

<< We are not a perfect people. Everyone is addicted to something.

Really? What are you addicted to?

As for me...well, let's see...I'm addicted to being happy and enjoying life...not sure if those meet the "addiction" requirements, but I do kinda focus on those two. When I was a kid, I was really into oreo cookies and milk after school...pretty sure I never missed an afternoon "fix" of that. I must admit to a package of those now and then. No drugs, no booze, guess I'm a low level addict.

As for Pete, well, I think he got in too deep with the mob and disrespecting the game...but mostly, I think he's addicted to stupidity and uber-hubris. >>

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JoeBanzai · June 25, 2015 8:32AM

<< For years it was legal for people in Congress to buy and sell stocks in companies that they had insider information on, or had the power to pass bills benefiting companies that they had shares. Where was the no betting sign in their offices? >>

You answered it yourself "it was legal".

timpatg · June 25, 2015 9:03AM

<< For years it was legal for people in Congress to buy and sell stocks in companies that they had insider information on, or had the power to pass bills benefiting companies that they had shares. Where was the no betting sign in their offices? >>

No idea what that has to do with baseball but it's been almost 100 years since Landis implemented the no gambling rule which was obviously well before Pete was born. He bet. He got busted. He lied. Then he admitted part of his wrongdoing. Then he lied some more. Then got busted again. He is done. End of story.

Dave99B · June 25, 2015 10:18AM

I'd love to see Pete get in, as he was such an amazing player. I doubt anyone ever wanted to win more. He truly earned the name 'Charlie Hustle'.

Sadly, I doubt he ever will. He broke the cardinal rule of baseball...and the penalty is high. Very sad. Hope I'm wrong.

Dave

garnettstyle · June 28, 2015 9:36PM

<< We are not a perfect people. Everyone is addicted to something.

Really? What are you addicted to?

As for me...well, let's see...I'm addicted to being happy and enjoying life...not sure if those meet the "addiction" requirements, but I do kinda focus on those two. When I was a kid, I was really into oreo cookies and milk after school...pretty sure I never missed an afternoon "fix" of that. I must admit to a package of those now and then. No drugs, no booze, guess I'm a low level addict.

As for Pete, well, I think he got in too deep with the mob and disrespecting the game...but mostly, I think he's addicted to stupidity and uber-hubris. >>

You would make a good politician.

Skin2 · June 28, 2015 11:00PM

Has really nothing to do with Pete, but it is scary to think how many umpires have been fixing games for years, and probably still do as they watch everyone else on the field and front office make millions upon millions.

I still say that Houdini was NOT the greatest escape artist/magician ever. David Stern was. The way he made the NBA game fixing referee scandal disappear was probably the greatest trick in history.

MLB surely would do the same the instant they got any wind of wrong doings from one of their umps.

pocketpiececommems · June 29, 2015 1:33AM

Ray Foose found those documents just in time.

stown · June 30, 2015 11:46PM

<< I still say that Houdini was NOT the greatest escape artist/magician ever. David Stern was. The way he made the NBA game fixing referee scandal disappear was probably the greatest trick in history. >>

ebaytrader · July 6, 2015 10:58PM

<< For years it was legal for people in Congress to buy and sell stocks in companies that they had insider information on, or had the power to pass bills benefiting companies that they had shares. Where was the no betting sign in their offices? >>

It still is legal (Congress very quietly and unanimously rolled back the disclosure rule of the STOCK Act, and recently filed a brief in May with the courts in a matter of insider trading claiming that Congress can not be investigated by the SEC.)

Roll back. How dare you investigate Congress!!!!

Given Pete's forthrightness, he should have gone into politics. A truly missed opportunity for him.

BLUEJAYWAY · July 7, 2015 10:02AM

Anyone else see Pete co-hosting Foxs Game of the Week last week?

telephoto1 · July 10, 2015 2:27AM

<< Anyone else see Pete co-hosting Foxs Game of the Week last week? >>

Yep. Pete still loves the game and studies it constantly. It's a shame that he can't be a manager somewhere. But...he messed up and is paying the price. I still think he belongs in the HOF but now at best I fear it will be posthumously,

timpatg · July 10, 2015 4:48AM

<< still think he belongs in the HOF but now at best I fear it will be posthumously, >>

The ghost of Joe Jackson disagrees

PSASAP · July 11, 2015 5:59AM

No idea what that has to do with baseball but it's been almost 100 years since Landis implemented the no gambling rule which was obviously well before Pete was born. He bet. He got busted. He lied. Then he admitted part of his wrongdoing. Then he lied some more. Then got busted again. He is done. End of story.

The issue is larger than just baseball. If the appointed leaders of the country don't have rules in place to insure that they behave ethically, then how can you expect the rest of society to respect and/or adhere to them. And of course it's legal, they make the rules, don't they? It sure as hell isn't ethical, though.

DIMEMAN · July 14, 2015 10:39AM

Why is Joe Jackson always brought up. He was nothing compared to Rose!

And YES.....Rose should be in the HOF.....PERIOD!!!

Peter Edward Rose...OH OH...turn out the lights Pete.

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